From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Jan 30, 5:19 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
wrote:
> In article
> <97da47aa-64be-4ce2-a30b-5e4a3914a...(a)r6g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>  Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > On Jan 29, 2:56 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> > > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
>
> > >news:clark-6C0474.14035029012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <b2e47378-cd18-4e37-bdb4-8a5b7dfa3...(a)u26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
>
> > > >> On Jan 29, 10:35 am, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote:
> > > >> > On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:34:53 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur Sr
>
> > > >> > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > > >> > >> Plans where you have to pay extra to see a doctor outside of the
> > > >> > >> plan's
> > > >> > >> approved network. Plans where you have to pay extra if you don't
> > > >> > >> want to
> > > >> > >> have to go through a family doctor in order to see a specialist. And
> > > >> > >> so
> > > >> > >> on.
>
> > > >> > >A very good point. In the US, you pay extra to see a doctor outside a
> > > >> > >network. In Canada, you are restricted to the one doctor who has
> > > >> > >accepted you as a patient; period. You are limited to that person's
> > > >> > >knowledge and skills; period.
>
> > > >> > Certainly Canadians can spend their own money to see US physicians, so
> > > >> > your statement isn't 100% correct. Are all Canadian physicians
> > > >> > limited to only treating those patients assigned to them by the state?
>
> > > >> Canadians living in Canada do not have access to the quality of care
> > > >> Americans have in the US. That Canadians are free to access the US
> > > >> system, and do so because of shortcomings in the Canadian system is
> > > >> further damnation of the Canadian system.
>
> > > > Then how come they live longer? Oh, the irony!
>
> > > I suppose it has something to do with the ethic percentages of the two
> > > countries. Life expectancies of different ethnic groups vary. The United
> > > States has a higher percentage of ethnic people whose average life
> > > expectancy is lower.
>
> > > It is more likely genetics than irony.
>
> > More diversity than anything else. There are structural social
> > problems in the US though, like the nature of inner cities, urban
> > nightmares, created by progressives, FWIW. Places like say France or
> > say Sweden, or Germany, heavily discriminate against non French,
> > Swedes, Germans, and one wonders if they include say Turks living in
> > Germany in their data.
>
> Your vast experience of, for example, Sweden is, what? The Swedish Chef
> on the Muppet Show, perhaps? Have you ever even been there? This is more
> BS pulled out of your a**.

Really, you don't think Swedes are very restrictive in this area?
Interesting that you picked the worst of the ones I mentioned!
From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Jan 30, 5:22 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
wrote:
> In article
> <c983b1ed-4491-489a-83a5-81dd66c80...(a)k41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>  Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > On Jan 29, 2:47 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-
> > state.edu> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <408045d7-bc01-4ccf-a946-7e0616597...(a)r6g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >  Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 29, 9:58 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-
> > > > state.edu> wrote:
> > > > > In article <MPG.25ccb4457acbf6f3989...(a)news.giganews.com>,
>
> > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> > > > > > In article <bd2a7183-1bb3-45af-9786-e1c1ac0cb5c2
> > > > > > @b10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, frostback2...(a)att.net says...
>
> > > > > > > The most interesting aspect of this is your great concern. IF you
> > > > > > > take
> > > > > > > the position that I have never published anything in the area of
> > > > > > > materials science, you become, as a point of fact, a liar. It is
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > just a matter of being misinformed, because my CV was published
> > > > > > > online
> > > > > > > and available for many years, for anyone to see.
>
> > > > > > > What is more relevant is that your concern suggests that you are
> > > > > > > unpublished, or publish little in the area, isn't it, and it
> > > > > > > bothers
> > > > > > > you because you think there is some sort of academic status
> > > > > > > associated
> > > > > > > with who employs you in this business, when in fact academic status
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > solely a function of your accomplishments.
>
> > > > > > > Now as I claim zero status as a materials scientist, and I claim
> > > > > > > none,
> > > > > > > it becomes a problem for you that I have published in the area,
> > > > > > > because you want to claim some sort of status here, when you, like
> > > > > > > I,
> > > > > > > have none!
>
> > > > > > > In any event, the $5K bet is still open.
>
> > > > > > I have a $1US that says Billy doesn't take your bet.
>
> > > > > Damn right I am not. This is not an issue for "bets", this is about the
> > > > > core of academic integrity. He is claiming to have attended meetings
> > > > > and
> > > > > published in a field where it is absolutely clear he has not. George
> > > > > O'Leary lost his job for doing exactly the same thing, but I am sure
> > > > > your wingnut double standards can find a way around that.
>
> > > > If claiming that you have done something you have not is a serious
> > > > issue, then a false accusation of such should be equally serious,
> > > > should it not? If so, then you should be fired.
>
> > > Well, given that publication records are the open currency of academia,
> > > anyone who is unwilling to back up a claim like yours by showing them is
> > > immediately suspect.
>
> > > Of course, you can clear it up right away, but each attempt to weasel
> > > out of answering the question simply makes you look more and more guilty.
>
> > You are right, it is completely open. If you care so much, you could
> > look it up. In any event, a false accusation of misconduct should
> > carry the same penalty for the accuser that a true accusation would
> > for the accused, especially given that you can look it up....very
> > easily, as you know.
>
> As a matter of fact, Science Citation index comes up with eight
> publications for you, not one of which comes anywhere even close to
> materials science. I can give you their list, if you like.
>
> So the evidence so far is 100% on my side. The ball is in your court to
> show where this is incorrect.

What is silk?
From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Jan 30, 5:23 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
wrote:
> In article <MPG.25ce10a1523c71fb989...(a)news.giganews.com>,
>
>
>
>  BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> > In article <clark-B79122.09584229012...(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> > state.edu>, cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>
> > > In article <MPG.25ccb4457acbf6f3989...(a)news.giganews.com>,
> > >  BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <bd2a7183-1bb3-45af-9786-e1c1ac0cb5c2
> > > > @b10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, frostback2...(a)att.net says...
>
> > > > > The most interesting aspect of this is your great concern. IF you take
> > > > > the position that I have never published anything in the area of
> > > > > materials science, you become, as a point of fact, a liar. It is not
> > > > > just a matter of being misinformed, because my CV was published online
> > > > > and available for many years, for anyone to see.
>
> > > > > What is more relevant is that your concern suggests that you are
> > > > > unpublished, or publish little in the area, isn't it, and it bothers
> > > > > you because you think there is some sort of academic status associated
> > > > > with who employs you in this business, when in fact academic status is
> > > > > solely a function of your accomplishments.
>
> > > > > Now as I claim zero status as a materials scientist, and I claim none,
> > > > > it becomes a problem for you that I have published in the area,
> > > > > because you want to claim some sort of status here, when you, like I,
> > > > > have none!
>
> > > > > In any event, the $5K bet is still open.
>
> > > > I have a $1US that says Billy doesn't take your bet.
>
> > > Damn right I am not. This is not an issue for "bets", this is about the
> > > core of academic integrity. He is claiming to have attended meetings and
> > > published in a field where it is absolutely clear he has not. George
> > > O'Leary lost his job for doing exactly the same thing, but I am sure
> > > your wingnut double standards can find a way around that.
>
> > If you are so cocksure you are right why not take the bet. You get $5K
> > and you get to nail a college prof to the wall. "Dr." Phil Jones of
> > UEA's CRU nailed himself without a bet.
>
> I have provided him with the evidence for free. I am not not taking his
> money.

Make the bet then and don;t take my money if you win. Claiming you
won't take my money by not taking the bet is evidence of cowardice.
From: William Clark on
In article
<827bc812-a6ab-4aa1-a928-d26d4765eda0(a)21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote:

> On Jan 30, 5:19�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
> wrote:
> > In article
> > <97da47aa-64be-4ce2-a30b-5e4a3914a...(a)r6g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > �Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > > On Jan 29, 2:56 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> > > > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
> >
> > > >news:clark-6C0474.14035029012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <b2e47378-cd18-4e37-bdb4-8a5b7dfa3...(a)u26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > >> On Jan 29, 10:35 am, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote:
> > > > >> > On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:34:53 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur Sr
> >
> > > > >> > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > > > >> > >> Plans where you have to pay extra to see a doctor outside of
> > > > >> > >> the
> > > > >> > >> plan's
> > > > >> > >> approved network. Plans where you have to pay extra if you
> > > > >> > >> don't
> > > > >> > >> want to
> > > > >> > >> have to go through a family doctor in order to see a
> > > > >> > >> specialist. And
> > > > >> > >> so
> > > > >> > >> on.
> >
> > > > >> > >A very good point. In the US, you pay extra to see a doctor
> > > > >> > >outside a
> > > > >> > >network. In Canada, you are restricted to the one doctor who has
> > > > >> > >accepted you as a patient; period. You are limited to that
> > > > >> > >person's
> > > > >> > >knowledge and skills; period.
> >
> > > > >> > Certainly Canadians can spend their own money to see US
> > > > >> > physicians, so
> > > > >> > your statement isn't 100% correct. Are all Canadian physicians
> > > > >> > limited to only treating those patients assigned to them by the
> > > > >> > state?
> >
> > > > >> Canadians living in Canada do not have access to the quality of care
> > > > >> Americans have in the US. That Canadians are free to access the US
> > > > >> system, and do so because of shortcomings in the Canadian system is
> > > > >> further damnation of the Canadian system.
> >
> > > > > Then how come they live longer? Oh, the irony!
> >
> > > > I suppose it has something to do with the ethic percentages of the two
> > > > countries. Life expectancies of different ethnic groups vary. The
> > > > United
> > > > States has a higher percentage of ethnic people whose average life
> > > > expectancy is lower.
> >
> > > > It is more likely genetics than irony.
> >
> > > More diversity than anything else. There are structural social
> > > problems in the US though, like the nature of inner cities, urban
> > > nightmares, created by progressives, FWIW. Places like say France or
> > > say Sweden, or Germany, heavily discriminate against non French,
> > > Swedes, Germans, and one wonders if they include say Turks living in
> > > Germany in their data.
> >
> > Your vast experience of, for example, Sweden is, what? The Swedish Chef
> > on the Muppet Show, perhaps? Have you ever even been there? This is more
> > BS pulled out of your a**.
>
> Really, you don't think Swedes are very restrictive in this area?
> Interesting that you picked the worst of the ones I mentioned!

Evidence?
From: William Clark on
In article <MPG.25cf4f20b9b45579989aef(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

> In article <wclark2-C43E1D.17084630012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> > Well, Spain, Portugal, and Puerto Rica are above the US, Mexico below.
> > So it can be genetic - it must be socio-economic. So it simply proves
> > the point that the poor, who can not afford health insurance, have their
> > life expectancy drastically reduced by living under the US health
> > insurance system.
> >
> > Thank you for pointing that out.
> >
>
> I hate to point this out to you Billy but the people of Puerto Rico are
> US citizens.

But they have a different health care system, that most importantly
specifically provides for the poor. Here read about it:

"The Puerto Rico Health Reform (Reforma de Salud de Puerto Rico in
Spanish), locally referred to simply as the Reform (la Reforma in
Spanish) is a government-run program which provides medical and
healthcare services to indigent and impoverished citizens of Puerto Rico
by means of contracting private health insurance companies, as opposed
to the traditional system of government-owned hospitals and emergency
centers. The Reform is administered by the Puerto Rico Health Insurance
Administration and, as of December 31, 2005, provides healthcare
coverage to over 1.5 million Puerto Ricans,[1] equal to 37.5% of the
island population. The life expectancy of Puerto Rico is higher than
that of the United States."

Note the final sentence in particular :-)