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From: BAR on 31 Jan 2010 14:46 In article <msfbm5hqtnnjk23jg5027e8660j84dd2r5(a)4ax.com>, bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:16:38 -0500, William Clark > <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > > >In article <MPG.25cf4f20b9b45579989aef(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > >> In article <wclark2-C43E1D.17084630012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > >> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > >> > Well, Spain, Portugal, and Puerto Rica are above the US, Mexico below. > >> > So it can be genetic - it must be socio-economic. So it simply proves > >> > the point that the poor, who can not afford health insurance, have their > >> > life expectancy drastically reduced by living under the US health > >> > insurance system. > >> > > >> > Thank you for pointing that out. > >> > > >> > >> I hate to point this out to you Billy but the people of Puerto Rico are > >> US citizens. > > > >But they have a different health care system, that most importantly > >specifically provides for the poor. Here read about it: > > They also do not pay Federal income tax and can't vote for president. That would save me tens of thousands of dollars a year and living in Maryland my vote for President doesn't count either.
From: BAR on 31 Jan 2010 14:54 In article <wclark2-DAADE6.12352231012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > If you are so cocksure you are right why not take the bet. You get $5K > > > > and you get to nail a college prof to the wall. "Dr." Phil Jones of > > > > UEA's CRU nailed himself without a bet. > > > > > > I have provided him with the evidence for free. I am not not taking his > > > money. > > > > Right. You have doubts and you don't want to lose the money and more of > > your credibility. > > No, his is clearly already gone. Your stupid bet is just blowhard > posturing. You are bluster and blather. When it comes to putting yourself on the line you always run and hide.
From: Alan Baker on 31 Jan 2010 14:56 In article <wclark2-BE5060.12265731012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > > > > We come up with a treatment, we expect it to more or less work for > > > > everyone because we Caucasians are more or less genetically identical, > > > > as compared to Africans anyway. However, with Africans, you would > > > > expect a treatment to work on some, perhaps not most, and have to > > > > consider their genome as an issue before isssuing a treatment. > > > > > > This is some of the worst "eugenics" BS I have ever heard. the human > > > body simply does not differ significantly in its response to disease, > > > and especially not by race. This simply more weasel words trying to > > > > Actually, it does. A case in particular is that to treat high colesterol > > in blacks requires far higher dosages of a particular drug (whose name > > presently escapes me). > > Indeed, and environmental factors, especially diet, play into that. My > point is that just shouting "genetics" is bordering on racist. No. It's not environmental factors. That's the point. Talking about genetic differences is not "bordering on racist". > > > > > avoid facing the truth - our health care system does not keep our > > > population alive as 49 others do. The fact is that at least five of the > > > 49 countries ahead of the US are Caribbean nations, whose population are > > > of almost identical make up to African-Americans. So much for that piece > > > of nonsense. > > > > That assumes that there are no other possible factors that could be > > responsible for the disparity, William. > > Which, of course, the "genetics" crew do. However, overall the US is the > most advanced nation in the world, but it fails to keep its population > alive very well. You can't point a finger at 10% of the population and > say that they are responsible for the poor performance. That is not > statistically reasonable. For the most part, I agree. But that doesn't mean that their health care system is automatically to blame. > > > > > > > > > > Interesting to see a noted Harvard MD (surgeon) on Fox channel voicing > > > > strong opposition to the notion that genetic variation is important to > > > > medical treatment. A sign of inbreeding for sure! > > > > > > He's right and you are wrong. No surprise there. > > > > Sorry, William, but to suggest that the genetic differences between > > different races are somehow only limited to superficial features such as > > skin colour, etc. seems pretty silly. > > Of course, but to suggest that the poor performance of the US in keeping > its population alive is simply due to "genetics", is far worse - > dishonest and bordering on racist. No. It's making a poor argument, but it's not bordering on racist. That is you demonizing something unnecessarily. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 31 Jan 2010 15:13 In article <wclark2-629AF5.12190131012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > In article > <25128116-f286-48cb-af66-6c4940eda4be(a)b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Jan 30, 5:16�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > wrote: > > > In article <gj69m5hj5cm58a7rtc5ap1qtqglnhpd...(a)4ax.com>, > > > �Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:36:10 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >Africans are very genetically diverse. There is more genetic variation > > > > >amongst Africans than all other humans combined, by a lot. > > > > > > > It's interesting that East Africa produces world class long distance > > > > runners, and West Africa produces world class sprinters. � Even when > > > > those people have lived in American countries for generations. > > > > > > > I wonder what characteristics would be best for golfing. > > > > > > I think you will find that it is because it is East Africa that is more > > > mountainous (at least where people live) so running at altitude trains > > > those slow twitch muscles and aerobic capacity. I don't think it has as > > > much to do with genetics, as it does with tradition. > > > > No such thing as natural selection in Africa I suppose. This thing > > with sickle cell disease and malaria, just a spurious correlation. > > And this has what to do with athletic performance? I see, absolutely > nothing :-) Nice dodge, William, but the underlying subject was genetic differences and their effect on health. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: William Clark on 31 Jan 2010 15:29
In article <MPG.25cfa7c64b06a306989af6(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <wclark2-DAA3A1.12163831012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > In article <MPG.25cf4f20b9b45579989aef(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <wclark2-C43E1D.17084630012010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > > > Well, Spain, Portugal, and Puerto Rica are above the US, Mexico below. > > > > So it can be genetic - it must be socio-economic. So it simply proves > > > > the point that the poor, who can not afford health insurance, have > > > > their > > > > life expectancy drastically reduced by living under the US health > > > > insurance system. > > > > > > > > Thank you for pointing that out. > > > > > > > > > > I hate to point this out to you Billy but the people of Puerto Rico are > > > US citizens. > > > > But they have a different health care system, that most importantly > > specifically provides for the poor. Here read about it: > > > > "The Puerto Rico Health Reform (Reforma de Salud de Puerto Rico in > > Spanish), locally referred to simply as the Reform (la Reforma in > > Spanish) is a government-run program which provides medical and > > healthcare services to indigent and impoverished citizens of Puerto Rico > > by means of contracting private health insurance companies, as opposed > > to the traditional system of government-owned hospitals and emergency > > centers. The Reform is administered by the Puerto Rico Health Insurance > > Administration and, as of December 31, 2005, provides healthcare > > coverage to over 1.5 million Puerto Ricans,[1] equal to 37.5% of the > > island population. The life expectancy of Puerto Rico is higher than > > that of the United States." > > > > Note the final sentence in particular :-) > > I'll give you a hint the Spanish are a mix of European and African > people. > > And, you forgot to include quite a bit from your Wikipedia cut and > paste. > > I don't know why you are holding up the Puerto Rican system as a model. > It is suffering from the same thing as all forced government systems, it > is being crushed by the weight of rising costs. But it keeps people alive longer. > > The three largest insurance companies operating in Puerto Rico are > currently the only ones participating in the Reform. These are Triple-S, > Inc. with 40.4% of the Reform beneficiaries, Medical Card Systems (MCS) > with 33.5%, and Humana with 26.1%.[1] > > The Reform has faced criticism from different sectors[who?] because of > the increasing costs associated with the system. Under the > administration of Gov. Sila Calder�n, the government tried to cut back > on services and eliminated many participants from the program in an > effort to curtail expenditures. However, the program still requires a > substantial amount of funds to cover its $1.4 billion annual > expenditures (2005).[2] In 2005 alone, only $400 million was generated > from participant deductibles and charges for services to cover program > expenses, while the remaining $1 billion in expenses was covered by a > subsidy provided by the state government.[2] Since medical costs are > expected to increase, experts have expressed serious concerns over the > future funding of the program. > > These criticisms and fallbacks have led the government to implement more > stringent controls over the operations of the Reform as well as to > diversify the way it provides services to beneficiaries. A pilot project > began in 2003 whereby the government contracted the services of one area > directly to a medical healthcare provider instead of contracting an > insurance company, and the government has stated that this and other > programs may be implemented and expanded in the future in order to > reduce costs.[1] However, some politicians, including former Gov. Pedro > Rossell�, are campaigning to create a universal health care system by > expanding the reform program to all citizens that lack a private > insurance plan. If you are going to cut and paste big chunks, at least give your source. No one thinks for a moment that you actually wrote this stuff yourself. |