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From: Alastair on 2 Sep 2009 11:15
Is it normal practice for 'board' competitions to have a maximum
handicap limit of say 20?
Seems to me that this discriminates against us higher handicappers.
What is the justification for it?
If high handicappers could all play off 20, they would have that as
their handicap and the max handicap for men would be 20 rather than
28.

Any thoughts, support, counter arguements?

Alastair
From: Denis Cary on 2 Sep 2009 12:26
Alastair wrote:
> Is it normal practice for 'board' competitions to have a maximum
> handicap limit of say 20?
> Seems to me that this discriminates against us higher handicappers.
> What is the justification for it?
> If high handicappers could all play off 20, they would have that as
> their handicap and the max handicap for men would be 20 rather than
> 28.
>
> Any thoughts, support, counter arguements?
>
> Alastair

At my Club the practice of limiting 'board' competitions had a handicap
limit. I can't rember the numbers but it was much in line with that you
quote. I addition these competitions were also played off three quarters
of handicap.

At the Annual General Meeting three years ago a members resolution
overturned this practice and all of these competitions are played off
full handicap without limit.

I was in the Club Secretary's office shortly after this change in
practice when the Competitions Secretary was producing details of the
next competition under the old regulations. The Secretary reminded him
of the changes and he replied - "!!! 28 handicappers will now be winning
some of these competitions". The comments of the Secretary were "They
have paid the same subscriptions as you so why should they not have the
same opportunities as you"
From: Paul Schmitz-Josten on 3 Sep 2009 18:43
Denis Cary in <h7m6b4$hi1$1(a)aioe.org>:

>At my Club the practice of limiting 'board' competitions had a handicap
>limit. I can't rember the numbers but it was much in line with that you
>quote. I addition these competitions were also played off three quarters
>of handicap.
>
>At the Annual General Meeting three years ago a members resolution
>overturned this practice and all of these competitions are played off
>full handicap without limit.
>
>I was in the Club Secretary's office shortly after this change in
>practice when the Competitions Secretary was producing details of the
>next competition under the old regulations. The Secretary reminded him
>of the changes and he replied - "!!! 28 handicappers will now be winning
>some of these competitions". The comments of the Secretary were "They
>have paid the same subscriptions as you so why should they not have the
>same opportunities as you"

"Handicapping gives equal chances to every player" - how many low
handicappers won't accept this? Wound't their spots on the board be secured
by limitations and reducing factors?

Over here we don't have the tradition of board competitions. Only the
yearly club championship winners will be announced on boards - gross scores
counting.

Given the broader range of handicaps in Germany, most net comps are divided
into two to four handicap sections with individual prizes. Still, many
people only accept their own (and lower) handicaps as justified, those with
more strokes are deemed by some to gain an unfair advantage <sg>.

On one hand those higher handicappers more frequently have a bigger
improvement range than the lowers resulting in better net results.
Alas, look at a (82,25,57) beating a (73,16,57) by card play-off (seen on
one club's homepage) - which one is "better"?

OTOH, from the "old" procedures, I understand a female's comment from
Hawkstone Park 2006 where she stated not to have any chance against those
low handicap men.

Ciao,

Paul
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