From: William Clark on
In article <alangbaker-E0612D.17180519072010(a)news.shawcable.com>,
Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote:

> In article
> <wclark2-53187E.19564619072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
> William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <MPG.26aeaa107e9992f698a12d(a)news.giganews.com>,
> > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <alangbaker-522FFA.10254819072010(a)news.shawcable.com>,
> > > alangbaker(a)telus.net says...
> > > >
> > > > In article <MPG.26ae009a7601a1ae98a12c(a)news.giganews.com>,
> > > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article <alangbaker-50070D.02182719072010(a)news.shawcable.com>,
> > > > > alangbaker(a)telus.net says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <0683d450-0dd1-42c7-acd6-3ceade5f7b7f(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > crapyking <crapyking1(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not my cup of tee either. Golf is about hitting greens in
> > > > > > > regulation
> > > > > > > then taking TWO strokes to roll it in, that's how the scorecard
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > designed. Any course that has a 50yrd putting green is
> > > > > > > ridiculous.
> > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > 5-6 foot deep bunkers, get real. Not fun to play or watch in my
> > > > > > > opinion. We do play/watch the game for enjoyment don't we?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you have any idea how stupid you come across from saying that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scotland is where the game was *invented* and to suggest that a
> > > > > > scorecard is "designed" to tell you what strokes to play is just...
> > > > > > ...idiotic.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is debate as to origins of the game.
> > > >
> > > > There always will be...
> > > >
> > > > ...but it doesn't change the fact that they've been playing golf in
> > > > Scotland for nearly three times as long as there has been a country
> > > > called the United States of America.
> > >
> > > Have you bowed to your Queen lately?
> >
> > Alan wins.
> >
> > By a mile.
>
> If only it were much of an accomplishment...

I know, but every little helps.
From: dene on

"William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:wclark2-AC86AE.20101719072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <8ajsnpFi5qU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > "Eric Ramon" <ramon.eric(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
news:601a515d-a181-41ac-a1ff-04d6b8312f21(a)z15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jul 18, 11:22 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> > > > "dsc-ky" <Dudley.Corn...(a)eku.edu> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > >
> >
news:c68c8d1c-98c4-42d5-af94-c5e8c9023598(a)m17g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > If you don't think there is any sense in penalizing the player by
> > missing
> > > > a
> > > > > foot, then how in the world do you watch a US Open? They do it on
> > purpose
> > > > > there.
> > > >
> > > > Furthermore, I get penalized very often for missing a putt by a
foot,
> > > > when my buddy knocked his in. :)
> > > >
> > > > St, Andrews and all the old courses are different. Doesn't have to
be
> > > > better or worse, more or less fair, etc... just different. I can see
> > > > that some people probably wouldn't like it... and that's fine. I'm
not
> > > > sure what I would think of playing those courses all the time, but I
> > > > sure as hell would like to try it once.
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > We have a links course in Portland. It's ok. Bandon is a few hours
as
> > > > well. I'd play it if the price were right but I wouldn't trade it
for a
> > > > good desert course or the ones in central Oregon. I like beautiful
> > scenery
> > > > and being warm. My game is depressing enough without the addition
of
> > ugly
> > > > surroundings and cold, marine air.
> > > >
> > > > -Greg
> > >
> > > which course in Portland do you consider a links course? Heron Lakes?
> > > That's the only one I can think of that comes close. I'd like to play
> > > Bandon one of these days but that's pretty expensive, as you mention.
> > > We can get in 6 or 7 rounds at a city course for the price of one
> > > round in Bandon.
> >
> > Yep...Heron Lakes. I don't even think their Links course is work the
extra
> > money, compared to their other courses.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> Which is why the great UK links courses are mostly public. I don't think
> you quite get it.

All the courses I referred to are public. Duh!

-Greg


From: dene on

"William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:wclark2-430C41.20092019072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <8ai92cFjdnU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > "dsc-ky" <Dudley.Cornman(a)eku.edu> wrote in message
> >
news:c68c8d1c-98c4-42d5-af94-c5e8c9023598(a)m17g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > If you don't think there is any sense in penalizing the player by
missing
> > a
> > > foot, then how in the world do you watch a US Open? They do it on
purpose
> > > there.
> >
> > Furthermore, I get penalized very often for missing a putt by a foot,
> > when my buddy knocked his in. :)
> >
> > St, Andrews and all the old courses are different. Doesn't have to be
> > better or worse, more or less fair, etc... just different. I can see
> > that some people probably wouldn't like it... and that's fine. I'm not
> > sure what I would think of playing those courses all the time, but I
> > sure as hell would like to try it once.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > We have a links course in Portland. It's ok. Bandon is a few hours as
> > well. I'd play it if the price were right but I wouldn't trade it for a
> > good desert course or the ones in central Oregon. I like beautiful
scenery
> > and being warm. My game is depressing enough without the addition of
ugly
> > surroundings and cold, marine air.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> No, you don't. You have a course set up to resemble a links course, but
> it is not a links course in the sense that St. Andres, Carnoustie,
> Troon, Muirfield, and the rest are. That takes a couple of hundred
> years, a lot of sheep, and striking natural beauty.

I'll grant you all the above except the natural beauty. The only thing
uglier on TV than the BO is Keith Olberman.

I especially yield to your first hand knowledge about sheep.

-Greg


From: dene on

"William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:wclark2-67224E.20043719072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <avO0o.11775$KT3.664(a)newsfe13.iad>,
> "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
>
> > "Tim" <delaney.timothy(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
> >
news:3531809c-a2d1-48d7-b044-0083ae2680a2(a)g35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > > The Old Course at St. Andrews may be steeped in history,
> > > but I would no more want to play it every week than I would
> > > want to drive a Model T. Quite frankly, it's ugly.
> > >
> > > The announcers made all the obligatory comments, and
> > > perhaps links golf has its place in professional competition,
> > > but the vast majority of golfers play the game for enjoyment.
> > > I don't know how one could enjoy playing a course that
> > > looks like a sheep ranch.
> >
> > I guess you don't understand much about the evolution of the game.
There is
> > a reason that links courses look like sheep ranches, most of them were
at
> > one point. St. Andrews is a course I would love to play before I punch
out.
> >
> > >
> > > Treeless might be just fine for Easter island and Haiti, but
> > > a golf course without trees is just barren. (If it weren't for
> > > an occasional patch of gorse, how would you manage to
> > > take a leak?)
>
> You sound like so many of the US pros after their first visit to an Open
> on a true links course. After a round or two, in changing conditions,
> the good ones come to realize that this is actually a better test of
> golf, and the creativity it demands, than playing target golf on an
> artificial TPC layout, and come to love it. You have obviously never
> played a links course on a fresh day. Sea air coming in off the ocean,
> magnificent views, and an envigorating walk over the terrain. How does
> that compare with sweating round a 95 degree swamp in a cart as we are
> at the moment? Try it some time - you'll be a better person for it.

You know little about Central Oregon courses, surrounded by real mountains,
warm temps, and little humidity.

-Greg


From: Alan Baker on
In article
<wclark2-3737BF.20481119072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote:

> In article <MPG.26aeb722a87defe498a130(a)news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <wclark2-53187E.19564619072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> > >
> > > In article <MPG.26aeaa107e9992f698a12d(a)news.giganews.com>,
> > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <alangbaker-522FFA.10254819072010(a)news.shawcable.com>,
> > > > alangbaker(a)telus.net says...
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <MPG.26ae009a7601a1ae98a12c(a)news.giganews.com>,
> > > > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article <alangbaker-50070D.02182719072010(a)news.shawcable.com>,
> > > > > > alangbaker(a)telus.net says...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <0683d450-0dd1-42c7-acd6-3ceade5f7b7f(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com
> > > > > > > >,
> > > > > > > crapyking <crapyking1(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not my cup of tee either. Golf is about hitting greens in
> > > > > > > > regulation
> > > > > > > > then taking TWO strokes to roll it in, that's how the scorecard
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > designed. Any course that has a 50yrd putting green is
> > > > > > > > ridiculous. And
> > > > > > > > 5-6 foot deep bunkers, get real. Not fun to play or watch in my
> > > > > > > > opinion. We do play/watch the game for enjoyment don't we?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you have any idea how stupid you come across from saying that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Scotland is where the game was *invented* and to suggest that a
> > > > > > > scorecard is "designed" to tell you what strokes to play is
> > > > > > > just...
> > > > > > > ...idiotic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is debate as to origins of the game.
> > > > >
> > > > > There always will be...
> > > > >
> > > > > ...but it doesn't change the fact that they've been playing golf in
> > > > > Scotland for nearly three times as long as there has been a country
> > > > > called the United States of America.
> > > >
> > > > Have you bowed to your Queen lately?
> > >
> > > Alan wins.
> > >
> > > By a mile.
> >
> > Isn't the Queen of England also the Queen of Canada?
>
> She is not as much of a queen as you are :-)

Awwww...

You gave it away.

:-(

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
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