From: BAR on
In article <8abbb6F5ofU1(a)mid.individual.net>, MNMiikkew(a)aol.com says...
>
> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4c3fda8d$0$4832$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> > On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:10:28 -0500, Moderate wrote:
> >> "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:wclark2-07DCD2.18063014072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >>> In article <8a6qd2FmquU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW"
> >>> <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >>>> "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:wclark2-412DC5.17240414072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >>>>> In article <8a600oFgqnU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW"
> >>>>> <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:4upp369u8o0toh3iqtkoibrcvmle7qr7p5(a)4ax.com...
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:43:58 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
> >>>>>>> <nobody(a)mixmaster.it> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> How does it feel democrats?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Having a president more conservative than Reagan?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There hasn't been a conservative president SINCE Reagan. And
> >>>>>> anyone who claims Obama to be conservative, is, well, nuts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But his approval rating is still higher than Reagan's was at this
> >>>>> stage of his Presidency.
> >>>>
> >>>> Reagan's low point was 40%. Obama is still in freefall.
> >>>
> >>> Come on, even you can do better than this lame effort :-)
> >>
> >> Latest poll shows 55% of likely voters think Obama is a socialist. He
> >> is popular in some circles.
> >
> > It's sad that so many are so clueless.
>
> Yes, the 2008 election pretty much proved that.

Carb's doesn't understand the concept of buyer's remorse.
From: BAR on
In article <57dbe3a2-b9c8-4d30-8e46-
b4d14fc8d0bd(a)q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
> > > > If I commission a poll then I can report the results as my own.
> >
> > > That doesn't make you a pollster.
> >
> > Sure it does.
> >
> > What is a pollster? A guy with a computer and a phone bank and a bunch
> > of underpaid people reading from a script?
> >
> > Most "pollsters" conduct the polls because they are commissioned to do
> > so, not because they are generous people.
>
> Pollsters are organizations like Gallup and Roper that understand the
> science of polling and know how to carry out a poll so as to make it
> as accurate and unbiased as possible. If I hire Roper to conduct a
> poll for me on a particular question or questions, that doesn't make
> me a pollster.

Accuracy and unbiased are not always characteristics of polls or
pollsters.
From: William Clark on
In article <MPG.26aa4885c08b0a3898a109(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

> In article <57dbe3a2-b9c8-4d30-8e46-
> b4d14fc8d0bd(a)q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
> > > > > If I commission a poll then I can report the results as my own.
> > >
> > > > That doesn't make you a pollster.
> > >
> > > Sure it does.
> > >
> > > What is a pollster? A guy with a computer and a phone bank and a bunch
> > > of underpaid people reading from a script?
> > >
> > > Most "pollsters" conduct the polls because they are commissioned to do
> > > so, not because they are generous people.
> >
> > Pollsters are organizations like Gallup and Roper that understand the
> > science of polling and know how to carry out a poll so as to make it
> > as accurate and unbiased as possible. If I hire Roper to conduct a
> > poll for me on a particular question or questions, that doesn't make
> > me a pollster.
>
> Accuracy and unbiased are not always characteristics of polls or
> pollsters.

Nor is intelligence amongst the respondents. Ever seen one of those
polls where they ask Americans where Germany is? It's pathetic.
From: BAR on
In article <wclark2-C8B35E.17541816072010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
>
> In article <MPG.26aa4885c08b0a3898a109(a)news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <57dbe3a2-b9c8-4d30-8e46-
> > b4d14fc8d0bd(a)q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
> > > > > > If I commission a poll then I can report the results as my own.
> > > >
> > > > > That doesn't make you a pollster.
> > > >
> > > > Sure it does.
> > > >
> > > > What is a pollster? A guy with a computer and a phone bank and a bunch
> > > > of underpaid people reading from a script?
> > > >
> > > > Most "pollsters" conduct the polls because they are commissioned to do
> > > > so, not because they are generous people.
> > >
> > > Pollsters are organizations like Gallup and Roper that understand the
> > > science of polling and know how to carry out a poll so as to make it
> > > as accurate and unbiased as possible. If I hire Roper to conduct a
> > > poll for me on a particular question or questions, that doesn't make
> > > me a pollster.
> >
> > Accuracy and unbiased are not always characteristics of polls or
> > pollsters.
>
> Nor is intelligence amongst the respondents. Ever seen one of those
> polls where they ask Americans where Germany is? It's pathetic.

That says more about the educators than it says about the students.
From: Howard Brazee on
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:54:18 -0400, William Clark
<wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote:

>Nor is intelligence amongst the respondents. Ever seen one of those
>polls where they ask Americans where Germany is? It's pathetic.

Ask a stupid question and they will get a stupid answer.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison