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From: Fairway on 11 May 2007 07:00 Birdie Bill wrote: > On May 9, 9:31 am, Fairway <armins...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > DaddyMan wrote: > > > Has anybody tried Jim Hardy's method? I'm trying it but still have > > > trouble taking a divot at the bottom of my swing. Any advice from one- > > > planers? Thanks. > > > > My advice: be careful. This method puts lots of strain on your back. It > > ´s only for the young and supple - but maybe you are one of them. F > > I haven't completely bought into the Hardy stuff myself, but I'm > curious - > what do you think is so stressful to the back about the Hardy one- > plane swing? Sir Birdie Bill, I think the one plane swing is stressful for the back, because: 1) I tried it last summer and it was very bad for my back. 2) One of my golf teachers, HN, warned me against it - he predicted it would hurt my back. 3) Hardy himself in his wonderful book stresses time after time that the one plane swing usually fits best the young and supple, while the two plane swing is far easier to execute for us old and not so supple. 4) I think the explanation is to be found in Hardy´s book, page 49: "The two-plane swing attempts to generate power from the swinging of the arms and from the momentum of the turn by the entire body, as opposed to the winding of the upper body against the lower body in the one-plane swing." It is almost obvious that winding the upper body against the lower body must be hard for us older guys, while it´s easy for Zach Johnson and Tiger Woods. F
From: Dene on 11 May 2007 12:45 On May 11, 4:00 am, Fairway <armins...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Birdie Bill wrote: > > On May 9, 9:31 am, Fairway <armins...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > DaddyMan wrote: > > > > Has anybody tried Jim Hardy's method? I'm trying it but still have > > > > trouble taking a divot at the bottom of my swing. Any advice from one- > > > > planers? Thanks. > > > > My advice: be careful. This method puts lots of strain on your back. It > > > ´s only for the young and supple - but maybe you are one of them. F > > > I haven't completely bought into the Hardy stuff myself, but I'm > > curious - > > what do you think is so stressful to the back about the Hardy one- > > plane swing? > > Sir Birdie Bill, I think the one plane swing is stressful for the > back, because: > > 1) I tried it last summer and it was very bad for my back. > 2) One of my golf teachers, HN, warned me against it - he predicted it > would hurt my back. > 3) Hardy himself in his wonderful book stresses time after time that > the one plane swing usually fits best the young and supple, while the > two plane swing is far easier to execute for us old and not so supple. > 4) I think the explanation is to be found in Hardy´s book, page 49: > "The two-plane swing attempts to generate power from the swinging of > the arms and from the momentum of the turn by the entire body, as > opposed to the winding of the upper body against the lower body in the > one-plane swing." > > It is almost obvious that winding the upper body against the lower > body must be hard for us older guys, while it´s easy for Zach Johnson > and Tiger Woods. > > F I heard Hardy along with his star pupil Jacobsen say that the 1P is easier on the back. From my own experience, it's easier. But....you must have the flexibility to do a full turn. Addressing the OP, I like the 1P swing for it's simplicity. Basically, you simulaneously pivot your arms, shoulder, leg around an imaginary rod that extends from the middle of your torso to the ball. It's critical that your head stays center throughout the downswing, not still, but centered. Also ball placement is critical, in that you must place the ball more toward the middle of the stance, depending on the length of club. Yesterday, I was hitting nasty pulls. Correction occurred when I put the ball slightly towards the middle. Unfortunately, I didn't do this until the 14th hole but it was in time to give me a birdle, then my first putt-in eagle on the 17th. That's bringing me back!! -Greg
From: Birdie Bill on 11 May 2007 23:02 On May 11, 6:00 am, Fairway <armins...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Birdie Bill wrote: > > On May 9, 9:31 am, Fairway <armins...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > DaddyMan wrote: > > > > Has anybody tried Jim Hardy's method? I'm trying it but still have > > > > trouble taking a divot at the bottom of my swing. Any advice from one- > > > > planers? Thanks. > > > > My advice: be careful. This method puts lots of strain on your back. It > > > ´s only for the young and supple - but maybe you are one of them. F > > > I haven't completely bought into the Hardy stuff myself, but I'm > > curious - > > what do you think is so stressful to the back about the Hardy one- > > plane swing? > > Sir Birdie Bill, I think the one plane swing is stressful for the > back, because: > > 1) I tried it last summer and it was very bad for my back. > 2) One of my golf teachers, HN, warned me against it - he predicted it > would hurt my back. > 3) Hardy himself in his wonderful book stresses time after time that > the one plane swing usually fits best the young and supple, while the > two plane swing is far easier to execute for us old and not so supple. > 4) I think the explanation is to be found in Hardy´s book, page 49: > "The two-plane swing attempts to generate power from the swinging of > the arms and from the momentum of the turn by the entire body, as > opposed to the winding of the upper body against the lower body in the > one-plane swing." > > It is almost obvious that winding the upper body against the lower > body must be hard for us older guys, while it´s easy for Zach Johnson > and Tiger Woods. Thanks for the info. I didn't realize there was so much "winding" involved. I'll have to drop by B&N and review the pages you mentioned.
From: dave.clary on 11 May 2007 23:31 On 11 May 2007 04:00:01 -0700, Fairway <arminsson(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >3) Hardy himself in his wonderful book stresses time after time that >the one plane swing usually fits best the young and supple, while the >two plane swing is far easier to execute for us old and not so supple. I don't think he ever says it's for "the young." He does say that you have to have the flexibility to make a full shoulder turn. His test is to have you line up with your thighs against a table edge and then see if you can get the shoulders to 90 degrees. And he says you need some upper body/torso strength. My dilemma is that I ok on both counts now, but I hope to play this game to a ripe old age, and I may no longer fit that profile. But since it's working fairly well for me now (at least on the few times I've actually played this year), I'm going to stick with it. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, TX http://davidclary.com
From: Birdie Bill on 12 May 2007 00:05
On May 11, 10:31 pm, dave.cl...(a)geewhizmail.com wrote: > On 11 May 2007 04:00:01 -0700, Fairway <armins...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >3) Hardy himself in his wonderful book stresses time after time that > >the one plane swing usually fits best the young and supple, while the > >two plane swing is far easier to execute for us old and not so supple. > > I don't think he ever says it's for "the young." He does say that you > have to have the flexibility to make a full shoulder turn. His test > is to have you line up with your thighs against a table edge and then > see if you can get the shoulders to 90 degrees. And he says you need > some upper body/torso strength. My dilemma is that I ok on both > counts now, but I hope to play this game to a ripe old age, and I may > no longer fit that profile. But since it's working fairly well for me > now (at least on the few times I've actually played this year), I'm > going to stick with it. > > Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, TXhttp://davidclary.com I think you know a lot more about Hardy than I do. I'm aware of him, skimmed through two of his books, saw him with Trouser Trout on TGC, and read threads on discussion boards. But I never set out to try to do either of his methods, mainly because I was taking lessons. However, my meager understanding of Hardy's one-plane swing is that it is more "rotary" than what he calls the "two plane" swing, and that Hogan is pretty much his god. In one of the last lessons I had at GolfTec before they closed down the location I was going to, my pro tried to get more rotation in my swing, and it pretty much cured my wrist-flipping. So I'm very interested in the rotary swing. Brady Riggs also teaches this method. So far, I haven't noticed any back problems. It certainly isn't as stressfull as a Johnny Miller reverse-C swing, which could only be characterized as a "two plane" swing, if you were forced to choose only between Hardy's classifications. By the way, I've never seen any professional golfer swing in the manner that Hardy illustrates as a "two plane" swing in his book "Master Class". He seems to have some interesting insights, though. |