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From: Carbon on 27 Nov 2009 13:52 On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:30:41 -0500, Frank Ketchum wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4b1010dd$0$4979$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> What I thought then and think now is that the President has much less >> say over the country than people generally believe. I did not for one >> second think that when Obama came in that everything would suddenly >> be peachy keen. I don't agree with many of his policies. However he >> is not a hopeless retard, so that's a big improvement in itself. > > I don't recall you making the case that the president really doesn't > have as much say over the country when Bush was president. You kidding? Obama has more say in things than Bush ever did. Bush was the mountain-biking President. That is, when he wasn't the golfing President, or the vacationing at his "ranch" President, or the trying to read someone else's speech off the teleprompter President. Bush's handlers, specifically Cheney and the people under his influence, had a great deal of power--as much as what lies in Obama's hands now--and were much less restrained about abusing it. But of course power is relative. Arrayed against the office of the President are military and corporate interests that severely limit the the ability of any administration to impose real change. Administrations come and go, but the people pulling the strings do not. > I seem remember you being in the chorus of the lunatic left going > apoplectic over everything when Bush was president. You know Frank, your memory's not so good.
From: William Clark on 27 Nov 2009 16:26 In article <lNUPm.33709$cd7.7007(a)newsfe04.iad>, "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > news:wclark2-5D5E03.12155627112009(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > Actually, given what was going on with the country and the economy > > throughout 2008 and earlier, yes. > > I don't recall you telling anyone that it wouldn't really matter who we > elected in 2008, but I'm sure you did. > > The truth of the matter is had McCain won and we were in this current > position you would be wailing about Republicans. Now that Obama won and we > are in this position, you still wail about Republicans. The point is that > no matter what happens you will blame Republicans. Oh, it absolutely did matter. God only knows where we would be with Magoo and Barbie in the WH.
From: bknight on 27 Nov 2009 17:01 On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:25:26 -0500, "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.com> wrote: > >"William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message >news:wclark2-5D5E03.12155627112009(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >> >> Actually, given what was going on with the country and the economy >> throughout 2008 and earlier, yes. > >I don't recall you telling anyone that it wouldn't really matter who we >elected in 2008, but I'm sure you did. > >The truth of the matter is had McCain won and we were in this current >position you would be wailing about Republicans. Now that Obama won and we >are in this position, you still wail about Republicans. The point is that >no matter what happens you will blame Republicans. > If McCain had won and we were in this current position who would be to blame? I still say Bush. BK
From: Carbon on 27 Nov 2009 17:38 On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:01:31 -0600, bknight wrote: > On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:25:26 -0500, "Frank Ketchum" > <nospam(a)thanksanyway.com> wrote: >>"William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message >>news:wclark2-5D5E03.12155627112009(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... >> >>> Actually, given what was going on with the country and the economy >>> throughout 2008 and earlier, yes. >> >>I don't recall you telling anyone that it wouldn't really matter who >>we elected in 2008, but I'm sure you did. >> >>The truth of the matter is had McCain won and we were in this current >>position you would be wailing about Republicans. Now that Obama won >>and we are in this position, you still wail about Republicans. The >>point is that no matter what happens you will blame Republicans. >> > If McCain had won and we were in this current position who would be to > blame? I still say Bush. And his handlers.
From: Jack Hollis on 27 Nov 2009 19:12
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:42:38 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >The leaders of most of the counries throughout the world know that Obma >is a "hopeless retard". And from the way it looks, so are all the people around him. |