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From: Howard Brazee on 28 Nov 2009 18:30 On 28 Nov 2009 19:59:51 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally don't think there is >anything wrong with being conservative. There are many things--the focus >on individual achievement, fiscal responsibility, small government--that >I genuinely admire. Those are admirable goals. When is the last time the U.S. was run by anybody with more than lip service to these values? >There are many things about it that I do not agree >with. Regardless I do not think there is anything wrong with people who >disagree with me. I will jump on people if they fail to make a rational >defense. But hey, this is Usenet. As Bert says, it's a diversion. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: bknight on 28 Nov 2009 18:31 On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:53:25 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: >Knight and Baker never post any views of their own; they just >criticize those of others. What they say is meaningless. Most everything that doesn't inflate your impossible ego is meaningless to you. Your history here is replete with the most outlandish braggadocio imaginable. Then there's your mulishness regarding definitions that you make up. BK
From: Howard Brazee on 28 Nov 2009 18:32 On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:56:28 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: >All opinions are informed by something. When *all* you have to offer >is personal attacks, you have opion on the issue, and thus you resort >to the attacks. Fact is, the left fears Palin greatly because she can >unite conservatives in favor of the GOP...of course their fear is >misplaced because the GOP doesn't want this...they want conservatives >to support them and the act out 19th century GOP type policies..at >least the Dems are acting out policies from the 1930's....would be >nice for someone to at least get to the 1960's or so....... Conservatives aren't conservative towards 19th century values. Throughout history, except in time of revolution, their values tend to be 2-3 generations old. It is useful to have conservatives slowing down change, but the change happens anyway, and the next generation of conservatives are conservative to a different generation's values. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 28 Nov 2009 20:43 On Nov 28, 5:32 pm, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote: > On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:56:28 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > >All opinions are informed by something. When *all* you have to offer > >is personal attacks, you have opion on the issue, and thus you resort > >to the attacks. Fact is, the left fears Palin greatly because she can > >unite conservatives in favor of the GOP...of course their fear is > >misplaced because the GOP doesn't want this...they want conservatives > >to support them and the act out 19th century GOP type policies..at > >least the Dems are acting out policies from the 1930's....would be > >nice for someone to at least get to the 1960's or so....... > > Conservatives aren't conservative towards 19th century values. > Throughout history, except in time of revolution, their values tend to > be 2-3 generations old. It is useful to have conservatives slowing > down change, but the change happens anyway, and the next generation of > conservatives are conservative to a different generation's values. > > -- > "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, > than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace > to the legislature, and not to the executive department." > > - James Madison We all see these things a bit differently, and right now I am highly biased by reading a lot US history right now (there are shortcuts I suppose, but the system wants me to learn US history to become a US citizen, and I am a history buff anyways...). It seems to me contemporary Dems are pursing New Deal type policies. It also seems to me that the mainstream GOP, the likes of Steele, Bohner, Mc Connel and the like pursue the idea that the business elite knows best how to run things. JMHO, but both concepts are waaay out of touch with modern reality. The New Deal failed badly; even the derived Great Society has failed miserably and the reason we need health care reform is that universal health care for retirees as proposed by the Great Society legislation is absolutely untenable financially. The New Deal was brought on by the fact that the business elite cannot in fact run things very well.
From: Howard Brazee on 29 Nov 2009 13:53
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:43:22 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: >We all see these things a bit differently, and right now I am highly >biased by reading a lot US history right now (there are shortcuts I >suppose, but the system wants me to learn US history to become a US >citizen, and I am a history buff anyways...). It seems to me >contemporary Dems are pursing New Deal type policies. It also seems to >me that the mainstream GOP, the likes of Steele, Bohner, Mc Connel and >the like pursue the idea that the business elite knows best how to run >things. >JMHO, but both concepts are waaay out of touch with modern reality. >The New Deal failed badly; even the derived Great Society has failed >miserably and the reason we need health care reform is that universal >health care for retirees as proposed by the Great Society legislation >is absolutely untenable financially. It could be. Trouble is, we don't really have good examples to compare the New Deal with alternatives. >The New Deal was brought on by >the fact that the business elite cannot in fact run things very well. And currently my banker son-in-law who did not make any of those bad loans is stuck with loads of new regulations and costs designed by politicians who believe they have a mandate "to do something". But they can't mandate the business elite to be responsible and competent. We can't ignore that we are spending our kids money on mistakes made by the business elite. They screwed up, and we are going to pay. My best wish here is that we stopped rewarding size. Maybe even tax size more. We don't want businesses that are "too big to fail". The big strength in our economy is small business. Encourage small businesses and let them fail if they screw up. Discourage Big Business, and make them pay a "too big to fail" tax. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |