Poulter - taking drop and changing mind
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From: JohnH on 21 Feb 2010 07:32 I have not seen the incident but I believe the following situation occurred. Ball was in trouble. Player took a drop as if playing declaring ball unplayable. Player did not like result so played original ball. I cannot see anything in Rule 28 to disagree with this and as he has not played at the dropped ball it seems reasonable to be able to change his mind and do what he did (play original ball). However I can understand how Garcia felt and I think most other players would. Apart from anything else it clearly leads to slow play if this happened regularly. John
From: johnty on 21 Feb 2010 08:48 On 21 Feb, 12:32, JohnH <john.hal...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I have not seen the incident but I believe the following situation > occurred. > > Ball was in trouble. Player took a drop as if playing declaring ball > unplayable. > Player did not like result so played original ball. > > I cannot see anything in Rule 28 to disagree with this and as he has > not played at the dropped ball it seems reasonable to be able to > change his mind and do what he did (play original ball). > I think there's likely something wrong with the story you've got there. After dropping a ball, even if not played, it is a substitute for the original and is in play.
From: JohnH on 21 Feb 2010 14:39 On Feb 21, 1:48 pm, johnty <john...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 21 Feb, 12:32, JohnH <john.hal...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have not seen the incident but I believe the following situation > > occurred. > > > Ball was in trouble. Player took a drop as if playing declaring ball > > unplayable. > > Player did not like result so played original ball. > > > I cannot see anything in Rule 28 to disagree with this and as he has > > not played at the dropped ball it seems reasonable to be able to > > change his mind and do what he did (play original ball). > > I think there's likely something wrong with the story you've got > there. After dropping a ball, even if not played, it is a substitute > for the original and is in play. You may be right Jonty, as I say I did not see the incident but I am going on newspaper reports I read. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.
From: david s-a on 21 Feb 2010 17:23 JohnH wrote: > On Feb 21, 1:48 pm, johnty <john...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> On 21 Feb, 12:32, JohnH <john.hal...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I have not seen the incident but I believe the following situation >>> occurred. >>> Ball was in trouble. Player took a drop as if playing declaring ball >>> unplayable. >>> Player did not like result so played original ball. >>> I cannot see anything in Rule 28 to disagree with this and as he has >>> not played at the dropped ball it seems reasonable to be able to >>> change his mind and do what he did (play original ball). >> I think there's likely something wrong with the story you've got >> there. After dropping a ball, even if not played, it is a substitute >> for the original and is in play. > > You may be right Jonty, as I say I did not see the incident but I am > going on newspaper reports I read. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. R20-6. Player is entitled to change his mind after he has dropped an incorrectly substituted ball. Coincidentally almost the exact same scenario played out a couple of weeks ago when I was guest RO at the Victorian PGA Championships. Players had all agreed that the original ball was known and virtually certain to be in a lateral water hazard, so player dropped a ball in accordance with R26-1c, within two clublengths of adjudged point of entry. However, before he had even addressed the substitute ball, and still within the five minute period allowing for a search, his original ball was found in the rough within meters of his dropped ball. I advised all the players of his group that R20-6 allowed him to lift the dropped ball and proceed correctly. They were pleased a) to have learnt another rule, and b) to also learn that there was no penalty involved! Incidentally, in the final round of that tournament, the eventual winner, who is an acquaintance and a real nice guy to boot, fired an Oz PGA record equaling 60 and if it wasn't for a missed 5' putt (missed by two inches) on the par 5 17th he would have had a 59! I noted from his card that he had also missed a birdie on another par 5 hole.....who knows we just might have witnessed a world beating 58! These guys are really good! cheers david
From: johnty on 21 Feb 2010 20:38
On 21 Feb, 22:23, david s-a <dsant...(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > R20-6. Player is entitled to change his mind after he has dropped an > incorrectly substituted ball. In this story there's no incorrect substitution, apparently. Dec 20-6/5 would apply. I don't think I agree with your assessment of the VPGA scenario. see 26-1/3.5 |