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From: Dave Lee on 22 Dec 2009 16:19


"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy(a)bite.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:12:52 -0500, "Dave Lee"
> <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
> SNIP
>
> Dave -- in regards to your points above:
>
> 1: I haven't seen cases where the GPS has been off substantially.
> Granted I haven't had the luxury of having a laser and another GPS to
> cross reference for accuracy.
>
> 2. At courses I frequent there are a fair number of hidden hazards.
> Or, more likely, I am having to punch out or lay up and I need to know
> how far it is to run out of fairway, etc.
>
> 3. For me distance to the pin doesn't really matter as much. I'm a
> 12.7 so knowing that pin is 148 or 145 won't affect my shot. For
> distances inside 100 yards I have a couple of "stock yardages" -- 105,
> 75, and 60. Other than that everything is feel based on the look of
> the shot and the club I want.
>
> The thing I love about the GPS is that I can glance at it to find the
> distance to the front, middle, and back of the green. That is really
> all the information I need to pull a club.
> --
SNIP

John, one last comment. There really are two ways to approach intermediate
wedge shots and they are 'touch/feel' vs. 'what is the distance'. I would
rather know the exact distance (say 48 yards) to a totally blind target
(assuming that I do have the line) vs. having no distance info at all to a
target that I can fully see.

There is no right vs. wrong here - I'll bet that you would come down on the
opposite side of this equation. l am "where I am" because of my practice
habits where I hit wedge shots to known distances.

dave

From: John van der Pflum on 22 Dec 2009 15:10
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:12:52 -0500, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:


>
>"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy(a)bite.org> wrote in message
>news:7blvi5tjuaerdisqvbttkl8tmrkd81bmup(a)4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:18:20 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I've given up on GPS altogether. Laser range finders are more
>>>accurate, give you the distance to any object of interest, not just
>>>those on a gps map, know the distance to wherever the pin is cut on
>>>the day, and don't require a special map to be downloaded or purchased
>>>for any golf course.
>>>
>>>Get a Bushnell PinSeeker.
>>
>> Will your laser tell you how far it is to the creek on this hole?
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/jpflumjr/image/100968170
>>
>> or this one?
>>
>> http://lh3.ggpht.com/_TJ5GWigrqas/Sgtr5Z8mBFI/AAAAAAAAApk/XX5YuCndBmE/s288/CIMG0126.JPG
>>
>> Or this one?
>>
>> http://lh6.ggpht.com/_TJ5GWigrqas/SepDttA1s1I/AAAAAAAAAhk/BXJMvIzE6xo/CIMG0045.JPG
>> --
>> jvdp
>> Hey Annika, you'll never hold these:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockpyle/3940732311/
>>
>> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>
>John, I'm curious about your perspective on GPS vs. laser. I have tried both
>(started with GPS). I found that
>
>1) The GPS technology can be flakey. After I learned how to use it properly
>I would change to to 'flakey on rare occasions'. But it was still just
>flakey enough to always have me wondering 'is this one of those rare times
>when the thing is 15 yards off?'.
>
>2) I just don't run into all that many blind targets (be they greens or
>lay-up/carry points). I run into more cases of (for example) being out of
>position and needing the carry or lay-up distance to some oddball object
>(like how far is it to that tree over there that would never matter except
>there is another tree in the way and I don't have a shot to the green).
>Unless you get lucky with the mappings (or maybe one of the 'fly-over
>devices' might address this), GPS doesn't handle this.
>
>3) My #1 requirement (by a bunch) is accurate yardage TO THE PIN from inside
>100 yards. Laser wins hands down here. Heck, when I am more than 150 yards
>out, I would rather know front/middle/back than I would yardage to the pin.
>But those yardages inside 100 yards are absolute primary for me.
>
>So I ended up a laser guy. What path put you onto GPS?
>
>dave

Dave -- in regards to your points above:

1: I haven't seen cases where the GPS has been off substantially.
Granted I haven't had the luxury of having a laser and another GPS to
cross reference for accuracy.

2. At courses I frequent there are a fair number of hidden hazards.
Or, more likely, I am having to punch out or lay up and I need to know
how far it is to run out of fairway, etc.

3. For me distance to the pin doesn't really matter as much. I'm a
12.7 so knowing that pin is 148 or 145 won't affect my shot. For
distances inside 100 yards I have a couple of "stock yardages" -- 105,
75, and 60. Other than that everything is feel based on the look of
the shot and the club I want.

The thing I love about the GPS is that I can glance at it to find the
distance to the front, middle, and back of the green. That is really
all the information I need to pull a club.
--
jvdp
Hey Annika, you'll never hold these:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockpyle/3940732311/

http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
From: John van der Pflum on 22 Dec 2009 15:11
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:16:47 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>The most common situation encountered where the GPS wins is where you
>have an obstruction such as trees between you and the shot target.

Which seems to happen to me a lot.

>I used a GPS for a few years, then got the Pinseeker. I wouldn't go
>back for all the ProV1's in Massachusetts.

I thought you lived in OZ?
--
jvdp
Hey Annika, you'll never hold these:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockpyle/3940732311/

http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
From: John van der Pflum on 22 Dec 2009 17:07
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:19:22 -0500, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:

>
>
>"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy(a)bite.org> wrote in message
>news:0i92j5ljjcm80f521rimk1b6l5n2m78eur(a)4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:12:52 -0500, "Dave Lee"
>> <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>>
>> SNIP
>>
>> Dave -- in regards to your points above:
>>
>> 1: I haven't seen cases where the GPS has been off substantially.
>> Granted I haven't had the luxury of having a laser and another GPS to
>> cross reference for accuracy.
>>
>> 2. At courses I frequent there are a fair number of hidden hazards.
>> Or, more likely, I am having to punch out or lay up and I need to know
>> how far it is to run out of fairway, etc.
>>
>> 3. For me distance to the pin doesn't really matter as much. I'm a
>> 12.7 so knowing that pin is 148 or 145 won't affect my shot. For
>> distances inside 100 yards I have a couple of "stock yardages" -- 105,
>> 75, and 60. Other than that everything is feel based on the look of
>> the shot and the club I want.
>>
>> The thing I love about the GPS is that I can glance at it to find the
>> distance to the front, middle, and back of the green. That is really
>> all the information I need to pull a club.
>> --
>SNIP
>
>John, one last comment. There really are two ways to approach intermediate
>wedge shots and they are 'touch/feel' vs. 'what is the distance'. I would
>rather know the exact distance (say 48 yards) to a totally blind target
>(assuming that I do have the line) vs. having no distance info at all to a
>target that I can fully see.

If you had a laser how would you know you had 48 yards to a totally
blind target? :-p.
--
jvdp
Hey Annika, you'll never hold these:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockpyle/3940732311/

http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
From: JohnO on 22 Dec 2009 17:16
On Dec 23, 9:11 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...(a)bite.org>
wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:16:47 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1...(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >The most common situation encountered where the GPS wins is where you
> >have an obstruction such as trees between you and the shot target.
>
> Which seems to happen to me a lot.

Heh! Me too, until the trees grew higher and I got older and now I hit
into them rather than over them.
 
>
> >I used a GPS for a few years, then got the Pinseeker. I wouldn't go
> >back for all the ProV1's in Massachusetts.
>
> I thought you lived in OZ?  

WHAT?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, Mr Pflum, that you
inadvertently made a typo and meant 'NZ' not 'OZ', as I am sure you
would not be making the unspeakably grievous insult of calling me an
Australian!

But anyway, the ProV1 factories are in MA. Unless that's also moved to
China now.

Cheers
JohnO

> --
> jvdp
> Hey Annika, you'll never hold these:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockpyle/3940732311/
>
> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com

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