From: Dave Lee on 23 Dec 2009 09:30 "John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy(a)bite.org> wrote in message news:2174j5p4bimtc3ps5j7966omprh3kqf074(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:32:40 -0500, "Dave Lee" > <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote: > >> >> SNIP > > Dave -- a quick question for you. Does a 5 yard difference really > matter to you? If you know the center of the green is 107 yards does > it matter if you laser the pin to read 104? > >>I'd accuse you of being a "typical midwest dummy" except for the fact that >>I >>am also a midwest guy. So I will chose to not make that particular >>accusation :-) > > I'm still a bit confused how Ohio is the midwest. Granted, it is the > farthest east state in the Midwest so we are kind of in no-man's land. > -- > jvdp SNIP John, 5 yards is kind of the outer edge of caring at 100 yards (for me). At 75 yards 5 yards really does matter to me (mentally, anyway). From my perspective GPS accuracy is 'worse than 5 yards' when it comes to distances inside 100. GPS is actually not very good from 50-60'ish yards and in plus you have to estimate the amount to 'change the GPS reading' because all you have (with many GPS devices, anyway) is 'front/center/back' - not the pin. And as I said yardages 'front/center/rear' are actually more useful to me than to the pin from outside 150. I don't have any trouble 'getting a reading' so time isn't an issue for me. But I will admit that I have seen folks struggle with this (don't know if it is them or their laser device). dave
From: assimilate on 23 Dec 2009 23:58 On 22-Dec-2009, "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote: > You wouldn't know. Just like if you had 48 yards to a visible target with > a > GPS (you also wouldn't know). Laser vs. GPS - they solve different > problems > (at different levels of accuracy). why I have both. I hardly ever use GPS inside 100 & hardly ever use laser outside it. -- bill-o
From: JohnO on 24 Dec 2009 05:40
On Dec 24, 2:37 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...(a)bite.org> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:32:40 -0500, "Dave Lee" > > > > > > <DaveLe...(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote: > > >"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspa...(a)bite.org> wrote in message > >news:rdv2j51juee6m556k20gfkh9htagov6hu3(a)4ax.com... > >> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:57:39 -0500, "Dave Lee" > >> <DaveLe...(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote: > > >>>"Dave Lee" <DaveLe...(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message > >>>news:lsKdnXplNp2o6qzWnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > > >>>> "John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspa...(a)bite.org> wrote in message > >>>>news:5og2j5d2t9a241d9s58mr4n9ud5vgq0861(a)4ax.com... > >>>>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:19:22 -0500, "Dave Lee" > >>>>> <DaveLe...(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspa...(a)bite.org> wrote in message > >>>>>>news:0i92j5ljjcm80f521rimk1b6l5n2m78eur(a)4ax.com... > >>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:12:52 -0500, "Dave Lee" > >>>>>>> <DaveLe...(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>> SNIP > > >>>>>>> Dave -- in regards to your points above: > > >>>>>>> 1: I haven't seen cases where the GPS has been off substantially. > >>>>>>> Granted I haven't had the luxury of having a laser and another GPS to > >>>>>>> cross reference for accuracy. > > >>>>>>> 2. At courses I frequent there are a fair number of hidden hazards. > >>>>>>> Or, more likely, I am having to punch out or lay up and I need to > >>>>>>> know > >>>>>>> how far it is to run out of fairway, etc. > > >>>>>>> 3. For me distance to the pin doesn't really matter as much. I'm a > >>>>>>> 12.7 so knowing that pin is 148 or 145 won't affect my shot. For > >>>>>>> distances inside 100 yards I have a couple of "stock yardages" -- > >>>>>>> 105, > >>>>>>> 75, and 60. Other than that everything is feel based on the look of > >>>>>>> the shot and the club I want. > > >>>>>>> The thing I love about the GPS is that I can glance at it to find the > >>>>>>> distance to the front, middle, and back of the green. That is really > >>>>>>> all the information I need to pull a club. > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>SNIP > > >>>>>>John, one last comment. There really are two ways to approach > >>>>>>intermediate > >>>>>>wedge shots and they are 'touch/feel' vs. 'what is the distance'. I > >>>>>>would > >>>>>>rather know the exact distance (say 48 yards) to a totally blind target > >>>>>>(assuming that I do have the line) vs. having no distance info at all > >>>>>>to > >>>>>>a > >>>>>>target that I can fully see. > > >>>>> If you had a laser how would you know you had 48 yards to a totally > >>>>> blind target? :-p. > >>>>> -- > > >>>> You wouldn't know. Just like if you had 48 yards to a visible target > >>>> with > >>>> a GPS (you also wouldn't know). Laser vs. GPS - they solve different > >>>> problems (at different levels of accuracy). > > >>>> dave > > >>>FWIW, I think that I can say with a reasonable assurance of being correct > >>>that I have NEVER/EVER encountered a totally blind shot from inside 100 > >>>yards. Maybe I am wrong here, but I don't think so. > > >>>dave > > >> I've played on some courses where the green is severely uphill and > >> thus those shots have been blind. > >> -- > > >Hmmm, it seems to me that (in that case) you are pretty much compelled to > >walk up to where you can see the flag (to find the correct line). Take a > >laser from that point and count your steps from there back to the ball. > > This is another reason I prefer the GPS -- time. The amount of time > it takes to get yardages is much shorter. Walking up to the ball, > putting down your bag, pulling on your glove and with a quick glance > you know your yardage. Compared to the laser I suspect that saves a > lot of time. GPS is quicker. I have to pull the laser out of its pouch, sight the target and get a reading. But it is still so quick as to not constitute an impediment to fast play. Most people spend far more time doing their pre-shot waggle and umpteen practice swings. > > Dave -- a quick question for you. Does a 5 yard difference really > matter to you? If you know the center of the green is 107 yards does > it matter if you laser the pin to read 104? > > >I'd accuse you of being a "typical midwest dummy" except for the fact that I > >am also a midwest guy. So I will chose to not make that particular > >accusation :-) > > I'm still a bit confused how Ohio is the midwest. Granted, it is the > farthest east state in the Midwest so we are kind of in no-man's land. > -- > jvdp > Hey Annika, you'll never hold these:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockpyle/3940732311/ > > http://www.rsgcincinnati.com |