From: Dave Lee on


"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy(a)bite.org> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:32:40 -0500, "Dave Lee"
> <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
SNIP

>
> Dave -- a quick question for you. Does a 5 yard difference really
> matter to you? If you know the center of the green is 107 yards does
> it matter if you laser the pin to read 104?
>
>>I'd accuse you of being a "typical midwest dummy" except for the fact that
>>I
>>am also a midwest guy. So I will chose to not make that particular
>>accusation :-)
>
> I'm still a bit confused how Ohio is the midwest. Granted, it is the
> farthest east state in the Midwest so we are kind of in no-man's land.
> --
> jvdp
SNIP

John, 5 yards is kind of the outer edge of caring at 100 yards (for me). At
75 yards 5 yards really does matter to me (mentally, anyway). From my
perspective GPS accuracy is 'worse than 5 yards' when it comes to distances
inside 100. GPS is actually not very good from 50-60'ish yards and in plus
you have to estimate the amount to 'change the GPS reading' because all you
have (with many GPS devices, anyway) is 'front/center/back' - not the pin.

And as I said yardages 'front/center/rear' are actually more useful to me
than to the pin from outside 150. I don't have any trouble 'getting a
reading' so time isn't an issue for me. But I will admit that I have seen
folks struggle with this (don't know if it is them or their laser device).

dave

From: assimilate on

On 22-Dec-2009, "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:

> You wouldn't know. Just like if you had 48 yards to a visible target with
> a
> GPS (you also wouldn't know). Laser vs. GPS - they solve different
> problems
> (at different levels of accuracy).

why I have both. I hardly ever use GPS inside 100 & hardly ever use laser
outside it.

--
bill-o
From: JohnO on
On Dec 24, 2:37 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...(a)bite.org>
wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:32:40 -0500, "Dave Lee"
>
>
>
>
>
> <DaveLe...(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
> >"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspa...(a)bite.org> wrote in message
> >news:rdv2j51juee6m556k20gfkh9htagov6hu3(a)4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:57:39 -0500, "Dave Lee"
> >> <DaveLe...(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
> >>>"Dave Lee" <DaveLe...(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:lsKdnXplNp2o6qzWnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com...
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> >>>> "John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspa...(a)bite.org> wrote in message
> >>>>news:5og2j5d2t9a241d9s58mr4n9ud5vgq0861(a)4ax.com...
> >>>>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:19:22 -0500, "Dave Lee"
> >>>>> <DaveLe...(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspa...(a)bite.org> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:0i92j5ljjcm80f521rimk1b6l5n2m78eur(a)4ax.com...
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:12:52 -0500, "Dave Lee"
> >>>>>>> <DaveLe...(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> SNIP
>
> >>>>>>> Dave -- in regards to your points above:
>
> >>>>>>> 1:  I haven't seen cases where the GPS has been off substantially.
> >>>>>>> Granted I haven't had the luxury of having a laser and another GPS to
> >>>>>>> cross reference for accuracy.
>
> >>>>>>> 2.  At courses I frequent there are a fair number of hidden hazards.
> >>>>>>> Or, more likely, I am having to punch out or lay up and I need to
> >>>>>>> know
> >>>>>>> how far it is to run out of fairway, etc.
>
> >>>>>>> 3.  For me distance to the pin doesn't really matter as much.  I'm a
> >>>>>>> 12.7 so knowing that pin is 148 or 145 won't affect my shot.  For
> >>>>>>> distances inside 100 yards I have a couple of "stock yardages" --  
> >>>>>>> 105,
> >>>>>>> 75, and 60.  Other than that everything is feel based on the look of
> >>>>>>> the shot and the club I want.
>
> >>>>>>> The thing I love about the GPS is that I can glance at it to find the
> >>>>>>> distance to the front, middle, and back of the green.  That is really
> >>>>>>> all the information I need to pull a club.
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>SNIP
>
> >>>>>>John, one last comment. There really are two ways to approach
> >>>>>>intermediate
> >>>>>>wedge shots and they are 'touch/feel' vs. 'what is the distance'. I
> >>>>>>would
> >>>>>>rather know the exact distance (say 48 yards) to a totally blind target
> >>>>>>(assuming that I do have the line) vs. having no distance info at all
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>a
> >>>>>>target that I can fully see.
>
> >>>>> If you had a laser how would you know you had 48 yards to a totally
> >>>>> blind target?  :-p.
> >>>>> --
>
> >>>> You wouldn't know. Just like if you had 48 yards to a visible target
> >>>> with
> >>>> a GPS (you also wouldn't know). Laser vs. GPS - they solve different
> >>>> problems (at different levels of accuracy).
>
> >>>> dave
>
> >>>FWIW, I think that I can say with a reasonable assurance of being correct
> >>>that I have NEVER/EVER encountered a totally blind shot from inside 100
> >>>yards. Maybe I am wrong here, but I don't think so.
>
> >>>dave
>
> >> I've played on some courses where the green is severely uphill and
> >> thus those shots have been blind.
> >> --
>
> >Hmmm, it seems to me that (in that case) you are pretty much compelled to
> >walk up to where you can see the flag (to find the correct line). Take a
> >laser from that point and count your steps from there back to the ball.
>
> This is another reason I prefer the GPS -- time.  The amount of time
> it takes to get yardages is much shorter.  Walking up to the ball,
> putting down your bag, pulling on your glove and with a quick glance
> you know your yardage.  Compared to the laser I suspect that saves a
> lot of time.  

GPS is quicker. I have to pull the laser out of its pouch, sight the
target and get a reading. But it is still so quick as to not
constitute an impediment to fast play. Most people spend far more time
doing their pre-shot waggle and umpteen practice swings.

>
> Dave -- a quick question for you.  Does a 5 yard difference really
> matter to you?  If you know the center of the green is 107 yards does
> it matter if you laser the pin to read 104?  
>
> >I'd accuse you of being a "typical midwest dummy" except for the fact that I
> >am also a midwest guy. So I will chose to not make that particular
> >accusation :-)
>
> I'm still a bit confused how Ohio is the midwest.  Granted, it is the
> farthest east state in the Midwest so we are kind of in no-man's land.
> --
> jvdp
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