From: dsc-ky on
On Aug 5, 9:24 am, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:52959449-caff-4a47-8bde-3619e3e5bd71(a)m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 4, 5:46 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:0bfb8dd8-47d3-4bbb-9047-ed16d676c930(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 4, 3:52 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:alangbaker-CD69E0.11575304082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <a78ef6da-c403-4b76-8952-6a6acd495...(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...(a)eku.edu> wrote:
>
> > > >> I've had quite a while to think about Bummer Care. Callous or not,
> > > >> that's my opinion.
> > > >> Probably the majority of people in the US agree that the Bummer Care
> > > >> is a bad plan and not worth what it will cost in $. There's not even
> > > >> any conclusive proof that it will be better at saving any of those
> > > >> innocent lives you are worried about. It doesn't even kick in for 10
> > > >> years. Wanna bet that the government finds a way to raid that fund
> > > >> too
> > > >> (like others)... and it never actually kicks in at all?
>
> > > > Nope.
>
> > > > That's not my point.
>
> > > > Someone says: "This will cost lives", and your reply is: "Meh.".
>
> > > > Justify it to yourself any way you like.
>
> > > The majority of Americans didn't want Obama care. A majority of
> > > Americans
> > > have opposed all of Obama's major policies. The polls aren't secret. It
> > > isn't a surprise that Obama is polling at 41% approval if all of his
> > > major
> > > policies were against the wishes of the majority of Americans.
>
> > > It will be refreshing to have a government of the people by the people
> > > for
> > > the people instead of a government of the government by the government
> > > for
> > > the government.
>
> > > The saving lives line is a canard. We all die.
>
> > If a majority of Americans have opposed all of Obama's major policies,
> > then why did a majority of Americans elect him to be president? He
> > said during the campaign that he wanted to do health care, he wanted
> > to do a stimulus package, he wanted to do financial services reform.
> > So what happened? Did people change their minds about what they wanted?
> > ***********************************************************
>
> > I don't know why anybody voted for Obama. I am certainly not a mind
> > reader.
> > I can read the polls and so can you.
>
> I know why people voted for him. What I don't understand is why he's
> being beaten up for doing exactly what he said he would do. You got
> any insight into that?
> *******************************************************
>
> Really?  If you know why people voted for him then you have a leg up on me.
>

I think... because he wasn't Bush. Cheney was too tied to Bush.

> He didn't do exactly what he said.  His health care bill didn't make health
> care more affordable.  He money give away hasn't helped the economy.  He
> didn't fix immigration.  He hasn't reduced corruption.  He hasn't reduced
> spending.

He didn't bring transparency either... he has pretty much continued
business as usual. He hasn't brought both sides together and as far as
I can see isn't even trying.

From: dsc-ky on
On Aug 5, 9:38 am, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 08:24:34 -0500, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >I know why people voted for him. What I don't understand is why he's
> >being beaten up for doing exactly what he said he would do. You got
> >any insight into that?
> >*******************************************************
>
> >Really?  If you know why people voted for him then you have a leg up on me.
>
> >He didn't do exactly what he said.  His health care bill didn't make health
> >care more affordable.
>
> We don't know that yet, but after years of talk about it we have made
> a change in health care that looks promising.
>
> >  He money give away hasn't helped the economy.
>
> We made a profit on the loans to GM.
>
> > He didn't fix immigration.
>
> Damn, and he's had two years to do something that hasn't been fixed in
> the last  thirty.
>
> >  He hasn't reduced corruption.
>
> Just how was that to be done?  

You can start by making sure your appointees are not corrupt...

>
> > He hasn't reduced spending.
>
> That is true, and I'm hoping that will come to fruition.

Don't hold your breath, you'll turn way blue.

>
> I just know that he was the best of the candidates in the last
> election, and that he will be able to do some of the things that
> reverse the country's downward spiral.

If that is true... it's a sad reality. As much as I didn't like
Hilary... she was probably a better candidate (maybe)?

>
> Maybe there is another person out there that can, and I'll vote for
> him is so.  But right now there is a dearth of leadership on the GOP
> side.
>
> BK

McCain was a poor choice... for sure.
From: dsc-ky on
On Aug 5, 7:58 pm, dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...(a)eku.edu> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 9:24 am, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:52959449-caff-4a47-8bde-3619e3e5bd71(a)m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 4, 5:46 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:0bfb8dd8-47d3-4bbb-9047-ed16d676c930(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com....
> > > On Aug 4, 3:52 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:alangbaker-CD69E0.11575304082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <a78ef6da-c403-4b76-8952-6a6acd495...(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...(a)eku.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > >> I've had quite a while to think about Bummer Care. Callous or not,
> > > > >> that's my opinion.
> > > > >> Probably the majority of people in the US agree that the Bummer Care
> > > > >> is a bad plan and not worth what it will cost in $. There's not even
> > > > >> any conclusive proof that it will be better at saving any of those
> > > > >> innocent lives you are worried about. It doesn't even kick in for 10
> > > > >> years. Wanna bet that the government finds a way to raid that fund
> > > > >> too
> > > > >> (like others)... and it never actually kicks in at all?
>
> > > > > Nope.
>
> > > > > That's not my point.
>
> > > > > Someone says: "This will cost lives", and your reply is: "Meh.".
>
> > > > > Justify it to yourself any way you like.
>
> > > > The majority of Americans didn't want Obama care. A majority of
> > > > Americans
> > > > have opposed all of Obama's major policies. The polls aren't secret.. It
> > > > isn't a surprise that Obama is polling at 41% approval if all of his
> > > > major
> > > > policies were against the wishes of the majority of Americans.
>
> > > > It will be refreshing to have a government of the people by the people
> > > > for
> > > > the people instead of a government of the government by the government
> > > > for
> > > > the government.
>
> > > > The saving lives line is a canard. We all die.
>
> > > If a majority of Americans have opposed all of Obama's major policies,
> > > then why did a majority of Americans elect him to be president? He
> > > said during the campaign that he wanted to do health care, he wanted
> > > to do a stimulus package, he wanted to do financial services reform.
> > > So what happened? Did people change their minds about what they wanted?
> > > ***********************************************************
>
> > > I don't know why anybody voted for Obama. I am certainly not a mind
> > > reader.
> > > I can read the polls and so can you.
>
> > I know why people voted for him. What I don't understand is why he's
> > being beaten up for doing exactly what he said he would do. You got
> > any insight into that?
> > *******************************************************
>
> > Really?  If you know why people voted for him then you have a leg up on me.
>
> I think... because he wasn't Bush. Cheney was too tied to Bush.
>
> > He didn't do exactly what he said.  His health care bill didn't make health
> > care more affordable.  He money give away hasn't helped the economy.  He
> > didn't fix immigration.  He hasn't reduced corruption.  He hasn't reduced
> > spending.
>
> He didn't bring transparency either... he has pretty much continued
> business as usual. He hasn't brought both sides together and as far as
> I can see isn't even trying.

Oops... McCain, not Cheney.
From: John B. on
On Aug 5, 7:58 pm, dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...(a)eku.edu> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 9:24 am, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:52959449-caff-4a47-8bde-3619e3e5bd71(a)m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 4, 5:46 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:0bfb8dd8-47d3-4bbb-9047-ed16d676c930(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com....
> > > On Aug 4, 3:52 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:alangbaker-CD69E0.11575304082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <a78ef6da-c403-4b76-8952-6a6acd495...(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...(a)eku.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > >> I've had quite a while to think about Bummer Care. Callous or not,
> > > > >> that's my opinion.
> > > > >> Probably the majority of people in the US agree that the Bummer Care
> > > > >> is a bad plan and not worth what it will cost in $. There's not even
> > > > >> any conclusive proof that it will be better at saving any of those
> > > > >> innocent lives you are worried about. It doesn't even kick in for 10
> > > > >> years. Wanna bet that the government finds a way to raid that fund
> > > > >> too
> > > > >> (like others)... and it never actually kicks in at all?
>
> > > > > Nope.
>
> > > > > That's not my point.
>
> > > > > Someone says: "This will cost lives", and your reply is: "Meh.".
>
> > > > > Justify it to yourself any way you like.
>
> > > > The majority of Americans didn't want Obama care. A majority of
> > > > Americans
> > > > have opposed all of Obama's major policies. The polls aren't secret.. It
> > > > isn't a surprise that Obama is polling at 41% approval if all of his
> > > > major
> > > > policies were against the wishes of the majority of Americans.
>
> > > > It will be refreshing to have a government of the people by the people
> > > > for
> > > > the people instead of a government of the government by the government
> > > > for
> > > > the government.
>
> > > > The saving lives line is a canard. We all die.
>
> > > If a majority of Americans have opposed all of Obama's major policies,
> > > then why did a majority of Americans elect him to be president? He
> > > said during the campaign that he wanted to do health care, he wanted
> > > to do a stimulus package, he wanted to do financial services reform.
> > > So what happened? Did people change their minds about what they wanted?
> > > ***********************************************************
>
> > > I don't know why anybody voted for Obama. I am certainly not a mind
> > > reader.
> > > I can read the polls and so can you.
>
> > I know why people voted for him. What I don't understand is why he's
> > being beaten up for doing exactly what he said he would do. You got
> > any insight into that?
> > *******************************************************
>
> > Really?  If you know why people voted for him then you have a leg up on me.
>
> I think... because he wasn't Bush. Cheney was too tied to Bush.
>
> > He didn't do exactly what he said.  His health care bill didn't make health
> > care more affordable.  He money give away hasn't helped the economy.  He
> > didn't fix immigration.  He hasn't reduced corruption.  He hasn't reduced
> > spending.
>
> He didn't bring transparency either... he has pretty much continued
> business as usual. He hasn't brought both sides together and as far as
> I can see isn't even trying.

You're not paying attention. He has reached out to Republicans on many
ocassions.
From: BAR on
In article <clark-421D0C.11032505082010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>
> In article <9kel56d7p4qpc893l5io5lp8bnr5e9jupp(a)4ax.com>,
> bknight(a)conramp.net wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 07:35:01 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <7ubk565pp7jg48au57m3p0b23t4pl7a4f0(a)4ax.com>,
> > >bknight(a)conramp.net says...
> >
> > >> Actually, what we see is a usual silly, non sequitur, post from Bert
> > >> the Shallow. Good thinking you kept it so short. Its hard to
> > >> misspell simple words.
> > >
> > >I used Gravity's spell checker, sometimes I don't remember to use it.
> > >But, they haven't come out with a grammar checker yet.
> > >
> > Sure they have, its called high school English class.
> >
> > BK
>
> Yes, well he missed that part.

I already told you I suffered the beginning of outcome based education
in high school. They didn't care whether you learned anything at all
just that you felt good about yourself. Except for Mrs. Brown's typing
class. That lady was a mean SOB. The only good thing was I got to sit
next to Karen Williams the whole year.