From: Howard Brazee on
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:58:28 -0700 (PDT), dsc-ky
<Dudley.Cornman(a)eku.edu> wrote:

>He didn't bring transparency either... he has pretty much continued
>business as usual. He hasn't brought both sides together and as far as
>I can see isn't even trying.

To me, he seems to be trying, mainly by not being a liberal. Not
that it makes a difference. The Republicans are working to distance
themselves from him to increase their chances of being re-nominated.

His war policy got Republican support, but what else could he do to
"bring both sides together"?

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: BAR on
In article <4f6eb382-c0d8-4c9d-bb67-
9d83421d15af(a)q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
>
> On Aug 5, 6:43�pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> > In article <a816adec-ed6b-496b-915b-5f8a95ebecc4
> > @x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > *********************************************************
> >
> > > > With the amount of money spent in the stimulus plan we should be seeing
> > > > better results. �The government run GM is going to be a complete disaster.
> > > > The GM Volt is going to make the Edsel look like a good idea. �So I may
> > > > sound like I am talking about the past, but I am not.
> >
> > > > Obama has gotten to Immigration reform; He stopped it.
> >
> > > > Obama most assuredly said he was going to reduce spending.
> >
> > > GM and Chrysler are in operating in the black and paying back the $60
> > > billion in bail-out money they got. If they had gone out of business,
> > > the effect on the economy would have been catastrophic -- millions of
> > > people out of work. It could have sent us into a depression.
> >
> > Assumptions with no basis in fact. Do you see how that goes both ways.
> >
> > GM and �Chrysler should have been left to their own fate in the public
> > sector. Bad businesses should fail regardless of the ramifications to
> > one or many political ideologies.
>
> The ramifications would have been to the country, not to any political
> ideology.

You missed that point. Obama saved GM and Chrysler to pay back the
unions for their support in the election and due to the fact that the
unions believe in socialism just like Obama.

Companies fail all of the time. Sometimes they are "good" companies and
sometimes they are "bad" companies. You might not like it and you don't
have to like it but, it is just a natural cycle of business.
From: Alan Baker on
In article <MPG.26c52913d4694a1198a1cb(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

> In article <4f6eb382-c0d8-4c9d-bb67-
> 9d83421d15af(a)q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
> >
> > On Aug 5, 6:43�pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> > > In article <a816adec-ed6b-496b-915b-5f8a95ebecc4
> > > @x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > *********************************************************
> > >
> > > > > With the amount of money spent in the stimulus plan we should be
> > > > > seeing
> > > > > better results. �The government run GM is going to be a complete
> > > > > disaster.
> > > > > The GM Volt is going to make the Edsel look like a good idea. �So I
> > > > > may
> > > > > sound like I am talking about the past, but I am not.
> > >
> > > > > Obama has gotten to Immigration reform; He stopped it.
> > >
> > > > > Obama most assuredly said he was going to reduce spending.
> > >
> > > > GM and Chrysler are in operating in the black and paying back the $60
> > > > billion in bail-out money they got. If they had gone out of business,
> > > > the effect on the economy would have been catastrophic -- millions of
> > > > people out of work. It could have sent us into a depression.
> > >
> > > Assumptions with no basis in fact. Do you see how that goes both ways.
> > >
> > > GM and �Chrysler should have been left to their own fate in the public
> > > sector. Bad businesses should fail regardless of the ramifications to
> > > one or many political ideologies.
> >
> > The ramifications would have been to the country, not to any political
> > ideology.
>
> You missed that point. Obama saved GM and Chrysler to pay back the
> unions for their support in the election and due to the fact that the
> unions believe in socialism just like Obama.
>
> Companies fail all of the time. Sometimes they are "good" companies and
> sometimes they are "bad" companies. You might not like it and you don't
> have to like it but, it is just a natural cycle of business.

Sorry, but while I agree that for the most part companies should be
allowed to succeed or fail on their own merits, the failure of GM and
Chrysler *at that particular time* was clearly something that the
government couldn't allow to happen; any government.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Bobster on

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-CD69E0.11575304082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
>
> Nope.
>
> That's not my point.
>
> Someone says: "This will cost lives", and your reply is: "Meh.".
>
> Justify it to yourself any way you like.
>

Why don't you worry about "saving lives" in Canada? The rest of us will
worry about saving lives in the US.


From: Alan Baker on
In article <m_OdnU9XJZs1_cbRnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>,
"Bobster" <bobster(a)nospam.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-CD69E0.11575304082010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> >
> > Nope.
> >
> > That's not my point.
> >
> > Someone says: "This will cost lives", and your reply is: "Meh.".
> >
> > Justify it to yourself any way you like.
> >
>
> Why don't you worry about "saving lives" in Canada? The rest of us will
> worry about saving lives in the US.

Sorry, but this is an open forum.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>