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From: BAR on 6 Aug 2010 07:42 In article <upsm56tcbpkvne25tp5f0b8f4ea0qf6fuf(a)4ax.com>, bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:25:58 -0700 (PDT), dsc-ky > <Dudley.Cornman(a)eku.edu> wrote: > > > > >> His war policy got Republican support, but what else could he do to > >> "bring both sides together"? > > > >Wasn't the health care bill an opportunity? But instead he sent dems > >behind closed doors to write it... He didn't want their input. > > You need to provide some proof of that. It would be to his advantage > to have any GOP assistance. When the speaker of the house and the majority leader of the senate keep the bills locked up in their chambers and only let members see single pages at a time to garner votes that is not GOP assistance and it is not DEM participation.
From: William Clark on 6 Aug 2010 07:55 In article <MPG.26c522d6a82301e498a1ca(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <clark-421D0C.11032505082010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > In article <9kel56d7p4qpc893l5io5lp8bnr5e9jupp(a)4ax.com>, > > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 07:35:01 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > >In article <7ubk565pp7jg48au57m3p0b23t4pl7a4f0(a)4ax.com>, > > > >bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > > > >> Actually, what we see is a usual silly, non sequitur, post from Bert > > > >> the Shallow. Good thinking you kept it so short. Its hard to > > > >> misspell simple words. > > > > > > > >I used Gravity's spell checker, sometimes I don't remember to use it. > > > >But, they haven't come out with a grammar checker yet. > > > > > > > Sure they have, its called high school English class. > > > > > > BK > > > > Yes, well he missed that part. > > I already told you I suffered the beginning of outcome based education > in high school. They didn't care whether you learned anything at all > just that you felt good about yourself. Except for Mrs. Brown's typing > class. That lady was a mean SOB. The only good thing was I got to sit > next to Karen Williams the whole year. That's right, play the victim. So no one that went to underfunded and ill-equipped schools ever made anything of education, then? Right.
From: Moderate on 6 Aug 2010 07:59 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:21322777-3357-42a6-ba60-ca220db7c494(a)t2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... On Aug 5, 5:02 pm, Moderate <nos...(a)nomail.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Aug 5, 2:05 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > >> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >>news:2841737e-0248-42b5-9b1c-15fcf2f1f5ce(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > >> On Aug 5, 9:24 am, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > > >>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >>>news:52959449-caff-4a47-8bde-3619e3e5bd71(a)m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com... > >>> On Aug 4, 5:46 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > > >>>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >>>>news:0bfb8dd8-47d3-4bbb-9047-ed16d676c930(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > >>>> On Aug 4, 3:52 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > >>>>>news:alangbaker-CD69E0.11575304082010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > >>>>>> In article > >>>>>> <a78ef6da-c403-4b76-8952-6a6acd495...(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, > >>>>>> dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...(a)eku.edu> wrote: > > >>>>>>> I've had quite a while to think about Bummer Care. Callous or > > > > > > > > not, > >>>>>>> that's my opinion. > >>>>>>> Probably the majority of people in the US agree that the Bummer > >>>>>>> Care > >>>>>>> is a bad plan and not worth what it will cost in $. There's not > >>>>>>> even > >>>>>>> any conclusive proof that it will be better at saving any of > > > > > > > > those > >>>>>>> innocent lives you are worried about. It doesn't even kick in > > > > > > > > for > >>>>>>> 10 > >>>>>>> years. Wanna bet that the government finds a way to raid that > > > > > > > > fund > >>>>>>> too > >>>>>>> (like others)... and it never actually kicks in at all? > > >>>>>> Nope. > > >>>>>> That's not my point. > > >>>>>> Someone says: "This will cost lives", and your reply is: "Meh.". > > >>>>>> Justify it to yourself any way you like. > > >>>>> The majority of Americans didn't want Obama care. A majority of > >>>>> Americans > >>>>> have opposed all of Obama's major policies. The polls aren't > > > > > > secret. > >>>>> It > >>>>> isn't a surprise that Obama is polling at 41% approval if all of > > > > > > his > >>>>> major > >>>>> policies were against the wishes of the majority of Americans. > > >>>>> It will be refreshing to have a government of the people by the > > > > > > people > >>>>> for > >>>>> the people instead of a government of the government by the > > > > > > government > >>>>> for > >>>>> the government. > > >>>>> The saving lives line is a canard. We all die. > > >>>> If a majority of Americans have opposed all of Obama's major > > > > > policies, > >>>> then why did a majority of Americans elect him to be president? He > >>>> said during the campaign that he wanted to do health care, he > > > > > wanted > >>>> to do a stimulus package, he wanted to do financial services > > > > > reform. > >>>> So what happened? Did people change their minds about what they > > > > > wanted? > >>>> *********************************************************** > > >>>> I don't know why anybody voted for Obama. I am certainly not a mind > >>>> reader. > >>>> I can read the polls and so can you. > > >>> I know why people voted for him. What I don't understand is why he's > >>> being beaten up for doing exactly what he said he would do. You got > >>> any insight into that? > >>> ******************************************************* > > >>> Really? If you know why people voted for him then you have a leg up > > > > on me. > > >>> He didn't do exactly what he said. His health care bill didn't make > > > > health > >>> care more affordable. He money give away hasn't helped the economy. > > > > He > >>> didn't fix immigration. He hasn't reduced corruption. He hasn't > > > > reduced > >>> spending. > > >> You talk as though his presidency were in the past. The health care > >> bill was not supposed to make health care more affordable the minute > >> he signed it. You don't know that the stim. pkg., hasn't helped. > >> Without it, the economy might be even worse than now. He hasn't > > > gotten > >> to immigration reform yet. He didn't say he was going to reduce > >> spending. > >> ********************************************************* > > >> With the amount of money spent in the stimulus plan we should be > > > seeing > >> better results. The government run GM is going to be a complete > > > disaster. > >> The GM Volt is going to make the Edsel look like a good idea. So I > > > may > >> sound like I am talking about the past, but I am not. > > >> Obama has gotten to Immigration reform; He stopped it. > > >> Obama most assuredly said he was going to reduce spending. > > > GM and Chrysler are in operating in the black and paying back the $60 > > billion in bail-out money they got. If they had gone out of business, > > the effect on the economy would have been catastrophic -- millions of > > people out of work. It could have sent us into a depression. > > What would have happened in that private investors would have gotten > pieces of it, cut the waste and started making money. Capitalism is not > the boogie man. Why didn't they do that with Enron or MCI or Lehman Bros. or Bear Stearns? They had plenty of time to do it with GM and Chrysler before Obama took office. *********************************************************** Futures trading is not like manufacturing. They did not have near enough time to do that with GM. You might recall several financial institutions were bought out. All the Automakers stuck their hands out when the money was offered, but when they heard Obama wanted to be chairman of the board, all but GM somehow figured out a way to fix things themselves.
From: Howard Brazee on 6 Aug 2010 08:00 On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:26:34 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >What happens is a company of 50,000 goes bankrupt? Sometimes the best >thing is to let the failure occur. Chrysler should have been allowed to >go bankrupt in 1980 or whatever year it was. GM is a company that needs >to go bankrupt so that the reorganizaiton can occur, otherwise GM will >continue to be a dismal failure for decades to come. I'm reminded of when Chrysler bought American Motors. It spent a fortune, closed the AMC factories, and ended up with the names "Jeep", and "Eagle". The workers in Kenosha weren't helped by that. And this wasn't about government nor bankruptcy. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 6 Aug 2010 08:02
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:25:58 -0700 (PDT), dsc-ky <Dudley.Cornman(a)eku.edu> wrote: >> His war policy got Republican support, but what else could he do to >> "bring both sides together"? > >Wasn't the health care bill an opportunity? But instead he sent dems >behind closed doors to write it... He didn't want their input. It ended up being much more conservative than Democrats have been pushing for, and it had way too many "extras" in it, written by both Democrats and Republicans. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |