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From: dsc-ky on 6 Aug 2010 15:01 On Aug 6, 9:34 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 5, 10:28 pm, dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...(a)eku.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 9:04 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > In article <MPG.26c52913d4694a1198a...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > In article <4f6eb382-c0d8-4c9d-bb67- > > > > 9d83421d1...(a)q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says.... > > > > > > On Aug 5, 6:43 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > In article <a816adec-ed6b-496b-915b-5f8a95ebecc4 > > > > > > @x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > > > > With the amount of money spent in the stimulus plan we should be > > > > > > > > seeing > > > > > > > > better results. The government run GM is going to be a complete > > > > > > > > disaster. > > > > > > > > The GM Volt is going to make the Edsel look like a good idea. So I > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > sound like I am talking about the past, but I am not. > > > > > > > > > Obama has gotten to Immigration reform; He stopped it. > > > > > > > > > Obama most assuredly said he was going to reduce spending. > > > > > > > > GM and Chrysler are in operating in the black and paying back the $60 > > > > > > > billion in bail-out money they got. If they had gone out of business, > > > > > > > the effect on the economy would have been catastrophic -- millions of > > > > > > > people out of work. It could have sent us into a depression. > > > > > > > Assumptions with no basis in fact. Do you see how that goes both ways. > > > > > > > GM and Chrysler should have been left to their own fate in the public > > > > > > sector. Bad businesses should fail regardless of the ramifications to > > > > > > one or many political ideologies. > > > > > > The ramifications would have been to the country, not to any political > > > > > ideology. > > > > > You missed that point. Obama saved GM and Chrysler to pay back the > > > > unions for their support in the election and due to the fact that the > > > > unions believe in socialism just like Obama. > > > > > Companies fail all of the time. Sometimes they are "good" companies and > > > > sometimes they are "bad" companies. You might not like it and you don't > > > > have to like it but, it is just a natural cycle of business. > > > > Sorry, but while I agree that for the most part companies should be > > > allowed to succeed or fail on their own merits, the failure of GM and > > > Chrysler *at that particular time* was clearly something that the > > > government couldn't allow to happen; any government. > > > > -- > > > Alan Baker > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> > > > If by fail you mean gone forever... I'd probably agree with you. If > > fail means bankruptcy and coming out the other side leaner and > > meaner... I'm not so sure? > > They wouldn't have come out the other side. That is a possibility...
From: BAR on 6 Aug 2010 18:37 In article <317714c2-0143-4172-923c- e1c995df12bd(a)t2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > > Really? �If you know why people voted for him then you have a leg up on me. > > > > I think... because he wasn't Bush. Cheney was too tied to Bush. > > > > > He didn't do exactly what he said. �His health care bill didn't make health > > > care more affordable. �He money give away hasn't helped the economy. �He > > > didn't fix immigration. �He hasn't reduced corruption. �He hasn't reduced > > > spending. > > > > He didn't bring transparency either... he has pretty much continued > > business as usual. He hasn't brought both sides together and as far as > > I can see isn't even trying. > > You're not paying attention. He has reached out to Republicans on many > ocassions. And, just before the Republicans get to the door Obama closes it and Pelosi changes the locks.
From: Moderate on 6 Aug 2010 20:15 dsc-ky <Dudley.Cornman(a)eku.edu> wrote: >> His war policy got Republican support, but what else could he do to >> "bring both sides together"? > > Wasn't the health care bill an opportunity? But instead he sent dems > behind closed doors to write it... He didn't want their input. Republicans have been shut out since the Democrats got control of Congress almost four years ago. Pelosi's, 'We won the election, we wrote this bill' is status quo.
From: BAR on 6 Aug 2010 20:29 In article <fb32bf92-5c3d-400b-becf-d1777d7fbb91 @q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > > > The resulting reorganizations would have take care of the unemployment > > issue. Those re-employed would not have been union employees due to the > > new plants being built in right to work states. > > > > Again, having companies that are no longer responsive to their customers > > needs and unable to respond fast enough to the changing markets are > > doomed to fail. If the companies cannot change then the only solution is > > to go out of business or be purchased by someone else. > > This is pure conjecture. How does a company in Chapter 11 come up > with billions of dollars to build new plants? And how long would it > take to build them and bring them online? > I wouldn't expect you to understand how baknruptcy works.
From: John B. on 6 Aug 2010 21:00
On Aug 6, 8:29 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <fb32bf92-5c3d-400b-becf-d1777d7fbb91 > @q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > The resulting reorganizations would have take care of the unemployment > > > issue. Those re-employed would not have been union employees due to the > > > new plants being built in right to work states. > > > > Again, having companies that are no longer responsive to their customers > > > needs and unable to respond fast enough to the changing markets are > > > doomed to fail. If the companies cannot change then the only solution is > > > to go out of business or be purchased by someone else. > > > This is pure conjecture. How does a company in Chapter 11 come up > > with billions of dollars to build new plants? And how long would it > > take to build them and bring them online? > > I wouldn't expect you to understand how baknruptcy works. In other words, you don't know. |