From: bknight on
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:44:14 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com>
wrote:

>
>"BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.26c3b01af52cc9f798a1ba(a)news.giganews.com...
>> In article <8e636408-d9f3-4cbf-98ad-
>> 673eec4145cd(a)l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Dudley.Cornman(a)eku.edu
>> says...
>> > > > I've had quite a while to think about Bummer Care. Callous or not,
>> > > > that's my opinion.
>> > > > Probably the majority of people in the US agree that the Bummer Care
>> > > > is a bad plan and not worth what it will cost in $. There's not even
>> > > > any conclusive proof that it will be better at saving any of those
>> > > > innocent lives you are worried about. It doesn't even kick in for 10
>> > > > years. Wanna bet that the government finds a way to raid that fund
>too
>> > > > (like others)... and it never actually kicks in at all?
>> > >
>> > > Nope.
>> > >
>> > > That's not my point.
>> > >
>> > > Someone says: "This will cost lives", and your reply is: "Meh.".
>> > >
>> >
>> > Correct... that isn't necessarily a good enough reason... depending on
>> > what it costs.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> People will continue to die whether Obama Care is funded or not.
>>
>> The question how many of the 45 million people without health care
>> before Obama Care passed are still without health care after Obama Care
>> was passed. The numbers I have seen in the MSM are 26 to 30 million.
>>
>> Is the cost worth the effort?
>
>Yes.
>
>The alternative is that only the unhealthy and wealthy will be able to
>afford health insurance while the young, poor, or healthy don't buy it, for
>a variety of reasons. The pool of the insured has to be balanced by these
>30 million plus uninsured or the whole system will tank!
>
>O'Care forces the uninsured to make a choice. Pay a tax penalty while
>risking your assets or pay premiums and protect your assets. Most will
>choose the latter and that, in of itself, will stabilize the market.
>
>Sadly....we Republicans never came up with a solution that mandated the 30
>million to join up. The Dems did and for that, they deserve credit....even
>if it's Chinese credit.
>
>-Greg
>
Unfortunately Greg the die-hard ultras stoke the fire of negativism,
and will never admit, or realize, that what you're saying is the
truth.

BK
From: Howard Brazee on
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:00:59 -0700 (PDT), dsc-ky
<Dudley.Cornman(a)eku.edu> wrote:

>> Yes, but most of us think it is something worth fighting...
>
>Up to a point... then the costs become too high.

Our current system is the most expensive system in the world - with or
without Obama's changes. If costs becoming too high is an
important issue, we need health care reform.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:08:49 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
<johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>If a majority of Americans have opposed all of Obama's major policies,
>then why did a majority of Americans elect him to be president? He
>said during the campaign that he wanted to do health care, he wanted
>to do a stimulus package, he wanted to do financial services reform.
>So what happened? Did people change their minds about what they wanted?

Money talks, and our medical industry spent a lot of money. It
worked.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:46:29 -0500, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com>
wrote:

>
>I don't know why anybody voted for Obama. I am certainly not a mind reader.
>I can read the polls and so can you.

He promised change, and we were tired of Bush's policies - which Obama
kept.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:00:39 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
<johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>What false promises? He promised health care reform and he delivered
>it. He promised a stimulus package and he delivered it. He promised
>financial services reform and he delivered it.

The health care reform sold more insurance to Big Business. It
helped hospitals some, but doesn't do much otherwise. The stimulus
package went primarily to those big enough to have PAC money. Small
business isn't helped. The new bank regulation bill doesn't address
the problem, but only adds paperwork.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison