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From: Denis Cary on 27 May 2010 11:13
Over the last 10 years I have aquired, in the view of a number of
members of my club, the reputation as a rules expert. It is a unearned
not realy a true reputation. I have a little above average knowledge of
the rules and this with the reputation is wholey down to some members of
this newsgroup.
A decision is required on the rules.
They ask me.
I come home and ask you.
I receive your answers and their problem is solved.

Another question today.

Competition Pairs BBetter Ball Match Play
A and B are partners.
Both drive down the fairway.
A accidentally kicks B's ball.
What happens next.

Denis
From: Paul Schmitz-Josten on 27 May 2010 15:20
Denis Cary in <htm23n$4a3$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>:

>Competition Pairs BBetter Ball Match Play
>A and B are partners.
>Both drive down the fairway.
>A accidentally kicks B's ball.
>What happens next.

See RoG 18-2:
One stroke penalty for B if the ball is properly replaced,
general penalty (loss of hole) if he fails to do so.
Loss of hole is limited to B - A may still score here.

Ciao,

Paul
From: Denis Cary on 27 May 2010 15:53
Paul Schmitz-Josten wrote:
> Denis Cary in <htm23n$4a3$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>:
>
>> Competition Pairs BBetter Ball Match Play
>> A and B are partners.
>> Both drive down the fairway.
>> A accidentally kicks B's ball.
>> What happens next.
>
> See RoG 18-2:
> One stroke penalty for B if the ball is properly replaced,
> general penalty (loss of hole) if he fails to do so.
> Loss of hole is limited to B - A may still score here.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Paul

That is not as I read 18-2

18-2(ii)refers to 'the player' or 'his partner'.
The person who incurs the penalty is quoted ' the player incurs a
penalty of one stroke'.

To me I feel that the answer to my question by you is more sensible and
fairer whereas the literal interpretation of the rule places the penalty
on the 'innocent player'. This is the reason for my question

Denis
From: Paul Schmitz-Josten on 27 May 2010 17:14
Denis Cary in <htmih9$v8v$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>:

>>> Competition Pairs BBetter Ball Match Play
>>> A and B are partners.
>>> Both drive down the fairway.
>>> A accidentally kicks B's ball.
>>> What happens next.
>>
>> See RoG 18-2:
>> One stroke penalty for B if the ball is properly replaced,
>> general penalty (loss of hole) if he fails to do so.
>> Loss of hole is limited to B - A may still score here.
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>> Paul
>
>That is not as I read 18-2
>
>18-2(ii)refers to 'the player' or 'his partner'.
>The person who incurs the penalty is quoted ' the player incurs a
>penalty of one stroke'.

This is exactly what I meant, only that it is 18-2 a. i) IMO.

>To me I feel that the answer to my question by you is more sensible and
>fairer whereas the literal interpretation of the rule places the penalty
>on the 'innocent player'. This is the reason for my question

I beg your pardon?

I, too, place the penalty on the innocent part of the team.

Where do you see the difference?

Ciao,

Paul
From: Denis Cary on 27 May 2010 17:48
Paul Schmitz-Josten wrote:
> Denis Cary in <htmih9$v8v$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>:
>
>>>> Competition Pairs BBetter Ball Match Play
>>>> A and B are partners.
>>>> Both drive down the fairway.
>>>> A accidentally kicks B's ball.
>>>> What happens next.
>>> See RoG 18-2:
>>> One stroke penalty for B if the ball is properly replaced,
>>> general penalty (loss of hole) if he fails to do so.
>>> Loss of hole is limited to B - A may still score here.
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>>
>>> Paul
>> That is not as I read 18-2
>>
>> 18-2(ii)refers to 'the player' or 'his partner'.
>> The person who incurs the penalty is quoted ' the player incurs a
>> penalty of one stroke'.
>
> This is exactly what I meant, only that it is 18-2 a. i) IMO.
>
>> To me I feel that the answer to my question by you is more sensible and
>> fairer whereas the literal interpretation of the rule places the penalty
>> on the 'innocent player'. This is the reason for my question
>
> I beg your pardon?
>
> I, too, place the penalty on the innocent part of the team.
>
> Where do you see the difference?
>
> Ciao,
>
> Paul

Sorry! We do, of course, agree on the interpretation of the rule.
I do, however, fail to see the logic in the rule. How can a player be
penalised for doing nothing in breach of the rules. Is it merely a means
of penalising the 'partnership'? I would have thought that this could be
achieved by penalising the player who did in fact ilegally move the ball.
Denis
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