From: Rex on

"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
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> "Rex" <rexroh(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:eqd9oj$6bv$1(a)aioe.org...
>> Snip ..
>> "). Maybe I liked #4 and #7 a bit better - maybe. Yesterday I loved #4
>> > and today it was more neutral. But I'll swear that I'd alternate
>> > between
>> > the
>> > stiff shafted Apex 5i and the A flex Apex 5i and while they didn't feel
>> > the
>> > same, I honestly don't know which one I preferred.
>> >
>> > Tough to be a real darksider when everything tastes like vanilla :-)
>> >
>> > dave
>> >
>> Dave
>>
>> Do all the irons have the same swingweight and overall weight. Overall
>> weight may be the influencing factor here. Just a thought.
>>
>> Rex
>>
>>
>
> Swingweights are similar. But with different shaft weights (and similar
> club
> lengths) there are obviously total weight differences. Of course the issue
> here is lack of a preference. I'm tempted to take a different tack on this
> and attempt to build a 5/6 i that I absolute hate. Maybe that would be a
> start - i'm not kidding, BTW.
>
> dave
>
>
Maybe you should try building and extremely light and extremely heavy club
both about same swingweight. Then build one with swingweight C8 and another
D6 and see if there is any preference. ( I once had some Irons that were d8
and I hit them well.) You might get a preference for one of these
combinations.

Rex


From: Dave Lee on

"Rex" <rexroh(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:eqe9av$ckb$1(a)aioe.org...
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> "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
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> > "Rex" <rexroh(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:eqd9oj$6bv$1(a)aioe.org...
> >> Snip ..
> >> "). Maybe I liked #4 and #7 a bit better - maybe. Yesterday I loved #4
> >> > and today it was more neutral. But I'll swear that I'd alternate
> >> > between
> >> > the
> >> > stiff shafted Apex 5i and the A flex Apex 5i and while they didn't
feel
> >> > the
> >> > same, I honestly don't know which one I preferred.
> >> >
> >> > Tough to be a real darksider when everything tastes like vanilla :-)
> >> >
> >> > dave
> >> >
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> Do all the irons have the same swingweight and overall weight. Overall
> >> weight may be the influencing factor here. Just a thought.
> >>
> >> Rex
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Swingweights are similar. But with different shaft weights (and similar
> > club
> > lengths) there are obviously total weight differences. Of course the
issue
> > here is lack of a preference. I'm tempted to take a different tack on
this
> > and attempt to build a 5/6 i that I absolute hate. Maybe that would be a
> > start - i'm not kidding, BTW.
> >
> > dave
> >
> >
> Maybe you should try building and extremely light and extremely heavy club
> both about same swingweight. Then build one with swingweight C8 and
another
> D6 and see if there is any preference. ( I once had some Irons that were
d8
> and I hit them well.) You might get a preference for one of these
> combinations.
>
> Rex
>
>

Built a left handed club once - didn't like it :-)

dave


From: Mike Dalecki on
Dave Lee wrote:
> I'm toying with the idea of building a new set of irons in the near future.
> At the rate that I typically proceed on such things that would mean calendar
> 2007 :-)
>
> An accepted "golf truism" that I have heard more than once is (roughly) "the
> right flex shaft is the most flex that you can control" (where stiffer means
> less flex). Particularly with irons I wonder why it really shouldn't be "the
> stiffest flex that you can tolerate swinging".
>
> I know that I seriously dislike driver shafts with stiff tips. I honestly
> don't know if they hit the ball worse for me (or hell - maybe they are
> better). But I don't like the feel at impact.
>
> I don't seem to have that reaction to stiffer iron shafts. And I just don't
> see any upside to more flex other than how it feels. The downsides are more
> clubhead droop that will vary depending on how hard you swing the club and
> similar considerations for the other directions of shaft flex. The "droop
> thing" in particular seems to be a real negative to me as it means that if
> the lie is right on a full swing then it will almost have to be too upright
> for a chip shot.
>
> Any comments on this? I recall some discussion on this a while back, but I
> recall that it seemed to go off in other directions. Well, of course it did
> Dave - this is RSG :-)
>
> dave

Much of the flex question revolves around how you swing a club. The
most flexible club you can handle tends to assume you have a smooth
swing; those who load the club fast, and swing fast, tend to need
stiffer shafts.

To be honest with you, I think the best thing you can do--since you're
building them yourself--is simply try 2 or 3 variations and see what
feels the best. Most truisms, like what you quoted above, are
true--sometimes.

Mike


--
Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com
RSG-Wisconsin 2007: June 22-24----Lawsonia!
From: newellsatwsu on
On Feb 7, 8:01 am, "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_b...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, but I like the full quote better. It is worth repeating
> again, just in case someone has a false idea what Ernest Jones
> was preaching with his "swing the clubhead" method:
>
<<snip to key part of Ernest Jones STC quote>>
>
> What sometimes happens is that the hacker transposes from
> one failing to another. He then tries to let the club do the work
> -- without his participation. He does not use his hands, perhaps
> because he hasn't been told about the "feel" of the swing, lets
> the club fall against the ball. It is a fluffy stroke without any
> power or authority motivating the club's action.
>
> [end quote]

Good thing we don't know any STC preacher around here who took Ernest
Jones advice the wrong way.

Nice quote Bill.

From: David Laville on
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:39:53 -0600, Mike Dalecki
<mike(a)removeclubdoctor.com> wrote:

>Much of the flex question revolves around how you swing a club.

There you go introducing fact into the argument.



David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982