From: Rex on 7 Feb 2007 23:35 "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message news:hxsyh.25561$X72.20522(a)newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > "Rex" <rexroh(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:eqd9oj$6bv$1(a)aioe.org... >> Snip .. >> "). Maybe I liked #4 and #7 a bit better - maybe. Yesterday I loved #4 >> > and today it was more neutral. But I'll swear that I'd alternate >> > between >> > the >> > stiff shafted Apex 5i and the A flex Apex 5i and while they didn't feel >> > the >> > same, I honestly don't know which one I preferred. >> > >> > Tough to be a real darksider when everything tastes like vanilla :-) >> > >> > dave >> > >> Dave >> >> Do all the irons have the same swingweight and overall weight. Overall >> weight may be the influencing factor here. Just a thought. >> >> Rex >> >> > > Swingweights are similar. But with different shaft weights (and similar > club > lengths) there are obviously total weight differences. Of course the issue > here is lack of a preference. I'm tempted to take a different tack on this > and attempt to build a 5/6 i that I absolute hate. Maybe that would be a > start - i'm not kidding, BTW. > > dave > > Maybe you should try building and extremely light and extremely heavy club both about same swingweight. Then build one with swingweight C8 and another D6 and see if there is any preference. ( I once had some Irons that were d8 and I hit them well.) You might get a preference for one of these combinations. Rex
From: Dave Lee on 8 Feb 2007 06:52 "Rex" <rexroh(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:eqe9av$ckb$1(a)aioe.org... > > "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC(a)ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message > news:hxsyh.25561$X72.20522(a)newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > > > "Rex" <rexroh(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:eqd9oj$6bv$1(a)aioe.org... > >> Snip .. > >> "). Maybe I liked #4 and #7 a bit better - maybe. Yesterday I loved #4 > >> > and today it was more neutral. But I'll swear that I'd alternate > >> > between > >> > the > >> > stiff shafted Apex 5i and the A flex Apex 5i and while they didn't feel > >> > the > >> > same, I honestly don't know which one I preferred. > >> > > >> > Tough to be a real darksider when everything tastes like vanilla :-) > >> > > >> > dave > >> > > >> Dave > >> > >> Do all the irons have the same swingweight and overall weight. Overall > >> weight may be the influencing factor here. Just a thought. > >> > >> Rex > >> > >> > > > > Swingweights are similar. But with different shaft weights (and similar > > club > > lengths) there are obviously total weight differences. Of course the issue > > here is lack of a preference. I'm tempted to take a different tack on this > > and attempt to build a 5/6 i that I absolute hate. Maybe that would be a > > start - i'm not kidding, BTW. > > > > dave > > > > > Maybe you should try building and extremely light and extremely heavy club > both about same swingweight. Then build one with swingweight C8 and another > D6 and see if there is any preference. ( I once had some Irons that were d8 > and I hit them well.) You might get a preference for one of these > combinations. > > Rex > > Built a left handed club once - didn't like it :-) dave
From: Mike Dalecki on 8 Feb 2007 14:39 Dave Lee wrote: > I'm toying with the idea of building a new set of irons in the near future. > At the rate that I typically proceed on such things that would mean calendar > 2007 :-) > > An accepted "golf truism" that I have heard more than once is (roughly) "the > right flex shaft is the most flex that you can control" (where stiffer means > less flex). Particularly with irons I wonder why it really shouldn't be "the > stiffest flex that you can tolerate swinging". > > I know that I seriously dislike driver shafts with stiff tips. I honestly > don't know if they hit the ball worse for me (or hell - maybe they are > better). But I don't like the feel at impact. > > I don't seem to have that reaction to stiffer iron shafts. And I just don't > see any upside to more flex other than how it feels. The downsides are more > clubhead droop that will vary depending on how hard you swing the club and > similar considerations for the other directions of shaft flex. The "droop > thing" in particular seems to be a real negative to me as it means that if > the lie is right on a full swing then it will almost have to be too upright > for a chip shot. > > Any comments on this? I recall some discussion on this a while back, but I > recall that it seemed to go off in other directions. Well, of course it did > Dave - this is RSG :-) > > dave Much of the flex question revolves around how you swing a club. The most flexible club you can handle tends to assume you have a smooth swing; those who load the club fast, and swing fast, tend to need stiffer shafts. To be honest with you, I think the best thing you can do--since you're building them yourself--is simply try 2 or 3 variations and see what feels the best. Most truisms, like what you quoted above, are true--sometimes. Mike -- Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2007: June 22-24----Lawsonia!
From: newellsatwsu on 8 Feb 2007 15:41 On Feb 7, 8:01 am, "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_b...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, but I like the full quote better. It is worth repeating > again, just in case someone has a false idea what Ernest Jones > was preaching with his "swing the clubhead" method: > <<snip to key part of Ernest Jones STC quote>> > > What sometimes happens is that the hacker transposes from > one failing to another. He then tries to let the club do the work > -- without his participation. He does not use his hands, perhaps > because he hasn't been told about the "feel" of the swing, lets > the club fall against the ball. It is a fluffy stroke without any > power or authority motivating the club's action. > > [end quote] Good thing we don't know any STC preacher around here who took Ernest Jones advice the wrong way. Nice quote Bill.
From: David Laville on 8 Feb 2007 22:00
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:39:53 -0600, Mike Dalecki <mike(a)removeclubdoctor.com> wrote: >Much of the flex question revolves around how you swing a club. There you go introducing fact into the argument. David Laville, G.S.E.M. The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor TB-8982 |