Shaft Stiffness and Irons
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From: Howard Brazee on 6 Feb 2007 10:44 On 5 Feb 2007 17:55:50 -0800, "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >I knew a player with a good swing and quite decent swing >speeds (110+ mph) switch from stiff to regular shafts, because >he could hit the regular shafts longer, and they just felt better to >him. I've heard John Daly uses, or at least at one time used >regular shafts. Daly's extra long back swing is ideal for more flexible shafts. He's tried stiff shafts, and says he can't hit them.
From: Martin Levac on 6 Feb 2007 10:45 "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message news:d28hs2t8oqt8mjpblm3ck3786ccmq8u3nt(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:50:28 -0500, "Martin Levac" > <vac3(a)REMOVEvideotron.ca> wrote: > >>Euh, because if they were to make and sell only one shaft, it would mean >>to >>admit to everybody that they were lying to us all this time. Why should we >>then believe them about this one shaft being the only thing we needed? >>Euh, >>because they must satisfy the demand that they themselves created with >>their >>lies to make a profit? > > New companies come into existence all the time. They *love* to tell > us that the old companies didn't "get" it. They do indeed. But knowing how one company can own another company without us knowing about it, it wouldn't surprise me if the first company did that as a way to try new ideas that are potentially destructive.
From: Martin Levac on 6 Feb 2007 11:10 "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message news:1a8hs2dhkm3lus5mm83rqghb4hus5mmffb(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:33:06 -0500, "Martin Levac" > <vac3(a)REMOVEvideotron.ca> wrote: > >> >>What is strange is that you prefer a supple shaft in the driver and rigid >>shaft in the irons. > > That's fairly common. Most people can hit a ball farther with a > flexible shaft. Drivers are designed to hit the long ball. > > But when we hit a 9I, we want consistency more than length. > > Also, we are much more likely to take half swings with our irons than > with our drivers. Ok Howard, I'll bite. Most people hit the ball farther than what? How about farther than the target, would that do? How about closer to the target instead, would that do better? I thought drivers were designed to hit the straight ball, I could be wrong. I forgot about that latest Callaway "draw" FT3 that Phil used to good effect. The one that's designed to hit the curve ball. What's wrong with straight anyway, not good enough for Phil? How many people do you know hit the ball 300 yards with today's equipment? I mean people you know personally and have seen it with your own eyes where the ball went. How many people do you know send the ball 150 yards with the same equipment? I know many 150 yarders but only one proven 300 yarder. Oh I hear a bunch of stories about amazing achievements at some time or another but none of these people can do it at will except that one guy. I even met one guy brag about 287 yards he did once long ago, brag! My personal experience tends to disagree with "drivers are designed to hit the long ball". But it certainly looks like it's designed to hit the crooked short ball into the woods, that's for sure. Or maybe it's not the equipment, it's the swing. Well, if we match the equipment based on the swing and the swing is flawed to begin with, I think the equipment we'll select will probably be just as bad as the swing itself, don't you think? That sounds logical to me. On the other hand if we select the very best equipment regardless of the swing, I think that the swing has a much better chance of being good at some point. Martin Levac
From: bill-o on 6 Feb 2007 11:13 On 6-Feb-2007, "Martin Levac" <vac3(a)REMOVEvideotron.ca> wrote: > The quality of a tool is determined primarily by its ability to perform > the function for which it was designed and built. The better it can > perform > its function, the higher its quality. The worse it can perform its > function, > the lower its quality. What is the function of a golf club shaft? Can a > rigid > lever transmit the same power more precisely than a supple lever? Is a > golf club shaft a lever? Perhaps you don't understand that people are individuals (c-�-d diff�rent) that require individual (c-�-d diff�rent) solutions. Do you really believe that everyone should swing with the same shaft? Your absolute statements are worthy of LLLarry. -- bill-o A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
From: Howard Brazee on 6 Feb 2007 11:42
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:10:35 -0500, "Martin Levac" <vac3(a)REMOVEvideotron.ca> wrote: >Ok Howard, I'll bite. Most people hit the ball farther than what? Farther down the fairway than they do with clubs that don't go as far. >How about >farther than the target, would that do? How about closer to the target >instead, would that do better? For various values of "target". But in general, a driver isn't used to put the ball on the green. It is used to hit a much bigger fairway. The top players don't even mind trading some more yards for a bigger chance of hitting out of trouble. >I thought drivers were designed to hit the >straight ball, I could be wrong. I forgot about that latest Callaway "draw" >FT3 that Phil used to good effect. The one that's designed to hit the curve >ball. What's wrong with straight anyway, not good enough for Phil? > >How many people do you know hit the ball 300 yards with today's equipment? I >mean people you know personally and have seen it with your own eyes where >the ball went. How many people do you know send the ball 150 yards with the >same equipment? I know many 150 yarders but only one proven 300 yarder. Oh I >hear a bunch of stories about amazing achievements at some time or another >but none of these people can do it at will except that one guy. I even met >one guy brag about 287 yards he did once long ago, brag! So what has that got to do with whether someone uses a driver to hit the ball long? Long is relative. >My personal experience tends to disagree with "drivers are designed to hit >the long ball". But it certainly looks like it's designed to hit the crooked >short ball into the woods, that's for sure. Then tee off with your short irons. >Or maybe it's not the equipment, >it's the swing. Well, if we match the equipment based on the swing and the >swing is flawed to begin with, I think the equipment we'll select will >probably be just as bad as the swing itself, don't you think? That sounds >logical to me. Of course - but when we tee off with a driver - no matter what your ability - we are trying to hit the ball long. Our target will almost always be a larger target than when we are using our short irons. >On the other hand if we select the very best equipment regardless of the >swing, I think that the swing has a much better chance of being good at some >point. The discussion is what the very best equipment is. I noted that a lot of people prefer more accuracy with the short clubs and more distance with the long clubs. Certainly that applies to Tiger and Phil - and they carry equipment that they have determined is the very best for their goals. |