From: Don A Roof on

Alan Baker wrote:
"...Why are you considering it [stack and tilt]? What problems are you
having that you hope it will fix?"
==============--

Short answer to the "problems" question is age and infirmity.

I just do not contact the ball as well as I used to. Mostly, I hit it
thin too often. I have played long enough that if I hit balls in
practice I can straighten that out - in practice, but I can't take the
improvement to the course.

I've had a couple of pros look at me and the results are about the same.
Given enough attempts at the same shots I can do OK - even do very well,
but it just doesn't transfer to the golf course.

From: David Laville on
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:01:59 -0700, Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net>
wrote:


>David,I'm totally in agreement with your basic statement!
>
>When I was first being taught, over 80 years ago, my Grandfather used
>a "basic" system too, though it only consisted of about six or eight
>segments, not twenty four.

Let me clarify about these 24 components. Every swing has the same 24
components or areas of action. Examples would be foot action, knee
action, left wrist action, release action, etc. Each of these
components have variations. As an example foot action has 3
variations; flat, rolled and lifted. To finish your swing use the
rolled or lifted right foot variation. If you want to abbreviate your
follow through use the flat variation, it will act as a governor
giving you less pivot turn in the follow through restricting your
finish.

Basics are a little different. A basic would be having the "V's" in
your grip point at your right shoulder, use a shoulder width stance,
etc. I'm sure you know all of this but they're time tested. When I
was learning golf my uncle gave me my first golf club. He also gave
me a little booklet about the basics of golf. Like all beginners I
had every problem but I could never find the answers I was looking
for. I read every book I could and tried all the methods looking for
the answers but I could never find them. What I did find was lots of
contradictions among the methods. Ballard said you can't hit it with
an angle while Joe Dante in his Four Magic Moves to Winning Golf said
hold the angle. This wasn't giving me the answers and my quest to
find them is why I got so involved in the mechanical side of golf and
eventually an authorized instructor of The Golfing Machine. After
learning everything I could it all added up to the same conclusion,
it's the basics that work. Looking back that little book of basics
my uncle gave me was probably one of the best golf books I ever had.


>He probably realized that a 7 year old
>could not keep more than that in his head. What he DID do was
>concentrate on no more than one or two at a session, usually just
>one... over and over. Little by little, as he became satisfied with my
>performance of each segment, he began to combine them until I had a
>swing that consisted of ALL those segments, and HE was satisfied with
>my complete (basic) swing.

That's how to correctly learn the golf swing. It's like building a
house, one board at a time. First you start with the foundation, than
the walls and finally the roof.

David Laville G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
From: David Laville on
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:43:32 -0800, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net>
wrote:

>> Thanks for proving me right and that you're a liar.
>
>That video was from after my days of S&T. I don't have a problem with
>hitting fat anymore.

I saw no S&T at all in that swing. Let me know when you gain some
credibility.

David Laville G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
From: Alan Baker on
In article <q0a1n55149q20jr0pmmh4cb4l6mqmu0d1h(a)4ax.com>,
David Laville <dlaville(a)nospam.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:43:32 -0800, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> Thanks for proving me right and that you're a liar.
> >
> >That video was from after my days of S&T. I don't have a problem with
> >hitting fat anymore.
>
> I saw no S&T at all in that swing. Let me know when you gain some
> credibility.

That's because I was no longer doing it.

I *learned* from S&T, David, but I've already said I didn't keep it.

Let me know when you gain some comprehension...

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on

"David Laville" <dlaville(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
news:nr91n5dpkkhuni2qqsifum302e9f83f01p(a)4ax.com...
> On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:01:59 -0700, Loudon Briggs <larebe(a)bbz.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >David,I'm totally in agreement with your basic statement!
> >
> >When I was first being taught, over 80 years ago, my Grandfather used
> >a "basic" system too, though it only consisted of about six or eight
> >segments, not twenty four.
>
> Let me clarify about these 24 components. Every swing has the same 24
> components or areas of action. Examples would be foot action, knee
> action, left wrist action, release action, etc. Each of these
> components have variations. As an example foot action has 3
> variations; flat, rolled and lifted. To finish your swing use the
> rolled or lifted right foot variation. If you want to abbreviate your
> follow through use the flat variation, it will act as a governor
> giving you less pivot turn in the follow through restricting your
> finish.
>
> Basics are a little different. A basic would be having the "V's" in
> your grip point at your right shoulder, use a shoulder width stance,
> etc. I'm sure you know all of this but they're time tested. When I
> was learning golf my uncle gave me my first golf club. He also gave
> me a little booklet about the basics of golf. Like all beginners I
> had every problem but I could never find the answers I was looking
> for. I read every book I could and tried all the methods looking for
> the answers but I could never find them. What I did find was lots of
> contradictions among the methods. Ballard said you can't hit it with
> an angle while Joe Dante in his Four Magic Moves to Winning Golf said
> hold the angle. This wasn't giving me the answers and my quest to
> find them is why I got so involved in the mechanical side of golf and
> eventually an authorized instructor of The Golfing Machine. After
> learning everything I could it all added up to the same conclusion,
> it's the basics that work. Looking back that little book of basics
> my uncle gave me was probably one of the best golf books I ever had.
>
>
> >He probably realized that a 7 year old
> >could not keep more than that in his head. What he DID do was
> >concentrate on no more than one or two at a session, usually just
> >one... over and over. Little by little, as he became satisfied with my
> >performance of each segment, he began to combine them until I had a
> >swing that consisted of ALL those segments, and HE was satisfied with
> >my complete (basic) swing.
>
> That's how to correctly learn the golf swing. It's like building a
> house, one board at a time. First you start with the foundation, than
> the walls and finally the roof.

Good stuff, David.

Question...where does Hogan's classic book fit within the framework of the
basic golf swing you allude to...or does it?

-Greg