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From: David Laville on 8 Feb 2010 19:44
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:35:26 -0800, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net>
wrote:

>That's because I was no longer doing it.
>
>I *learned* from S&T, David, but I've already said I didn't keep it.

So what did you learn that stopped the chunks?

>Let me know when you gain some comprehension..

Maybe it's not comprehension that's my problem. Maybe it's trying to
decipher your bullshit.


David Laville G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
From: Alan Baker on 8 Feb 2010 19:58
In article <oqb1n558jobekcj3aqgia31oglnkcjq7tv(a)4ax.com>,
David Laville <dlaville(a)nospam.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:35:26 -0800, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net>
> wrote:
>
> >That's because I was no longer doing it.
> >
> >I *learned* from S&T, David, but I've already said I didn't keep it.
>
> So what did you learn that stopped the chunks?

What good contact should feel like.

Because I'd had the wrong idea in my head about how to achieve good
contact when I first took up the game, it took something as radical as
changing to S&T to let me change my preconceptions.

Despite knowing what was required intellectually, it never felt like it
was going to work. By switching to S&T for while, *nothing* felt like it
would work at first, so my only option was to just read the instruction
and go with it. But once I got the correct feel of impact, I was able to
keep that without having to keep doing the rest of it.

>
> >Let me know when you gain some comprehension..
>
> Maybe it's not comprehension that's my problem. Maybe it's trying to
> decipher your bullshit.

LOL

I'm sorry reality is at odds with your little, "Ha, ha! I've got you
now!" fantasy, but it's really not my problem.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Carbon on 8 Feb 2010 22:17
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:11:03 -0600, David Laville wrote:

> Let me clarify about these 24 components. Every swing has the same 24
> components or areas of action. Examples would be foot action, knee
> action, left wrist action, release action, etc. Each of these
> components have variations. As an example foot action has 3
> variations; flat, rolled and lifted. To finish your swing use the
> rolled or lifted right foot variation. If you want to abbreviate your
> follow through use the flat variation, it will act as a governor
> giving you less pivot turn in the follow through restricting your
> finish.

I've been googling the golfing machine. Homer Kelley's approach is very
much that of an engineer. 24 components to the golf swing, up to 15
variations of each. I'm not arguing that anything he says is wrong; in
fact I'm assuming everything he says is correct. But it does seem a bit
like trying to learn baseball by taking physics.
From: David Laville on 10 Feb 2010 19:16
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:42:29 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com>
wrote:

>Question...where does Hogan's classic book fit within the framework of the
>basic golf swing you allude to...or does it?

I like Hogan. In fact Homer Kelley admired the swings of Ben Hogan and
Sam Snead. This is just my opinion but I like the basics Hogan
established; Hips lead the down swing, pivot is the motor of the
swing, etc. However, there is some tweaks Hogan used that I don't
agree with for the everyday golfer because Hogan was using them to
fade the ball. I don't agree with the left thumb down the top of the
shaft, I think it should be rotated more to the aft side. He shows
the upper arms being tied to the torso. I believe this restricts the
swing of the arms around the torso. That left arm should be able to
swing free so it can over-take the left shoulder.

You can use Hogan to play good golf and get a good foundation. But
just like every other golf swing you have to tweak it to better fit
you.

David Laville G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
From: David Laville on 10 Feb 2010 19:16
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:58:16 -0800, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net>
wrote:

>> So what did you learn that stopped the chunks?
>
>What good contact should feel like.
>
>Because I'd had the wrong idea in my head about how to achieve good
>contact when I first took up the game, it took something as radical as
>changing to S&T to let me change my preconceptions.
>
>Despite knowing what was required intellectually, it never felt like it
>was going to work.

Huh? First you said you had the wrong idea in your head than you
followed it with "Despite knowing what was required intellectually".

Was that a contradiction or were you again trying to impress upon
everyone you're intelligent?

> By switching to S&T for while, *nothing* felt like it
>would work at first, so my only option was to just read the instruction
>and go with it. But once I got the correct feel of impact, I was able to
>keep that without having to keep doing the rest of it.

Could you please be a little more specific about what it was in S&T
that eliminated your chunks?

David Laville G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
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