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From: Frank Ketchum on 15 Feb 2010 21:01 "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message news:wclark2-E5008B.19351615022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > In article <1Cfen.90344$BV.58213(a)newsfe07.iad>, > "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > >> "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> news:7ttd6sFpf4U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> > >> > "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message >> > news:MPG.25e256eb4972048989bbf(a)news.giganews.com... >> >> This about puts the final nail in the coffin of AGW. >> >> >> >> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece >> >> >> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn- >> >> Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data- >> >> organised.html >> >> >> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1250813/MAIL-ON-SUNDAY- >> >> COMMENT-The-professors-amazing-climate-change-retreat.html >> > >> > "We concluded, with overwhelming statistical significance, that the >> > IPCC's >> > climate data are contaminated with surface effects from >> > industrialisation >> > and data quality problems. These add up to a large warming bias," he >> > said. >> > " >> >> >> A long way of saying that they were lying. >> >> >> > I wonder what the esteemed Mr. Clark has to say about this? >> >> As if you don't already know. > > Well, I would say you people are so fixated on denialism, that you don't > read, examine, or listen to anything other than the denialist media. So > it is a waste of time - like wrestling a pig. Right. That is precisely what has been happening.
From: assimilate on 15 Feb 2010 22:01 On 15-Feb-2010, William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > > I wonder what the esteemed Mr. Clark has to say about this? > > The Daliy Mail is the paper equivalent of Fox news. Besides, there is > not enough space here, or between your ears, to show you that this > information is actually trivial, and of no consequence. You wouldn't > listen, anyway. Typical, shoot the messanger, then insult the other party. Class WATC, real class. -- bill-o
From: William Clark on 16 Feb 2010 08:12 In article <7tuageFt6uU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > news:wclark2-19D4B3.19333915022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > In article <7ttd6sFpf4U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >> "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > >> news:MPG.25e256eb4972048989bbf(a)news.giganews.com... > >> > This about puts the final nail in the coffin of AGW. > >> > > >> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece > >> > > >> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn- > >> > Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data- > >> > organised.html > >> > > >> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1250813/MAIL-ON-SUNDAY- > >> > COMMENT-The-professors-amazing-climate-change-retreat.html > >> > >> "We concluded, with overwhelming statistical significance, that the > >> IPCC's > >> climate data are contaminated with surface effects from industrialisation > >> and data quality problems. These add up to a large warming bias," he > >> said. " > >> > >> I wonder what the esteemed Mr. Clark has to say about this? > > > > The Daliy Mail is the paper equivalent of Fox news. Besides, there is > > not enough space here, or between your ears, to show you that this > > information is actually trivial, and of no consequence. You wouldn't > > listen, anyway. > > I notice you didnt mention the Timesonline. And of course you didnt answer > the question. More blather, the same lame insults, the same pompous asshat > routine. The Times, a once great newspaper, is of course owned by Rupert Murdoch (he of Fox News). http://tiny.cc/kfehC
From: William Clark on 16 Feb 2010 08:11 In article <OTnen.56562$3n2.42732(a)newsfe01.iad>, assimilate(a)borg.org wrote: > On 15-Feb-2010, William Clark <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > > > > I wonder what the esteemed Mr. Clark has to say about this? > > > > The Daliy Mail is the paper equivalent of Fox news. Besides, there is > > not enough space here, or between your ears, to show you that this > > information is actually trivial, and of no consequence. You wouldn't > > listen, anyway. > > Typical, shoot the messanger, then insult the other party. Class WATC, real > class. Whatever: The Daily Mail of the UK published a predictably inaccurate article entitled "Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995". The title itself is a distortion of what Jones actually said in an interview with the BBC. What Jones actually said is that, while the globe has nominally warmed since 1995, it is difficult to establish the statistical significance of that warming given the short nature of the time interval (1995-present) involved. The warming trend consequently doesn t quite achieve statistical significance. But it is extremely difficult to establish a statistically significant trend over a time interval as short as 15 years, a point that has been made over and over again. It is also worth noting that the CRU record indicates slightly less warming than other global temperature estimates such as the GISS record. The article also incorrectly equates instrumental surface temperature data that Jones and CRU have assembled to estimate the modern surface temperature trends with paleoclimate data used to estimate temperatures in past centuries, falsely asserting that the former has been used to produce the hockey stick graph. Finally, the article intentionally distorts comments that Jones made about the so-called Medieval Warm Period . Jones stated in his BBC interview that "There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia and that For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions." These are statements with which are fully consistent with the conclusions of the most recent IPCC report, and the numerous peer-reviewed publications on this issue since. Those conclusions are that recent Northern Hemisphere warming is likely unprecedented in at least a millennium (at least 1300 years, in fact), and that evidence in the Southern Hemisphere is currently too sparse for confident conclusions. Mann et al in fact drew those same conclusions in their most recent work on this problem (PNAS, 2008). http://tiny.cc/kfehC Sucks to be you.
From: William Clark on 16 Feb 2010 08:12
In article <R%men.50670$5n.18704(a)newsfe23.iad>, "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:7tuageFt6uU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:wclark2-19D4B3.19333915022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >> In article <7ttd6sFpf4U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > >> "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> > >>> "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message > >>> news:MPG.25e256eb4972048989bbf(a)news.giganews.com... > >>> > This about puts the final nail in the coffin of AGW. > >>> > > >>> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece > >>> > > >>> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn- > >>> > Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data- > >>> > organised.html > >>> > > >>> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1250813/MAIL-ON-SUNDAY- > >>> > COMMENT-The-professors-amazing-climate-change-retreat.html > >>> > >>> "We concluded, with overwhelming statistical significance, that the > >>> IPCC's > >>> climate data are contaminated with surface effects from > >>> industrialisation > >>> and data quality problems. These add up to a large warming bias," he > >>> said. " > >>> > >>> I wonder what the esteemed Mr. Clark has to say about this? > >> > >> The Daliy Mail is the paper equivalent of Fox news. Besides, there is > >> not enough space here, or between your ears, to show you that this > >> information is actually trivial, and of no consequence. You wouldn't > >> listen, anyway. > > > > I notice you didnt mention the Timesonline. And of course you didnt answer > > the question. More blather, the same lame insults, the same pompous asshat > > routine. > > As if you didn't already know. http://tiny.cc/kfehC |