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From: MNMikeW on 18 Feb 2010 17:14 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:7c367a86-319c-4dc0-b889-295421c86eef(a)y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On Feb 18, 3:11 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > news:clark-81577F.14252318022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > > > In article <7u5a50Fd4...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > >> "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > >>news:clark-0771DB.11075018022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >> > In article <7u55f1Fhn...(a)mid.individual.net>, > >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > >> >> "William Clark" <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >>news:wclark2-5A4756.22020617022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >> >> > In article <wHUen.74969$RS6.11...(a)newsfe15.iad>, > >> >> > "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > >> >> >> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >> >>news:4b7c1584$0$5110$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> >> >> > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:20:58 -0600, MNMikeW wrote: > >> >> >> >> <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >>news:7ihmn5lgj229dobctt1r6atpqcq0rurdcu(a)4ax.com... > >> >> >> >>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:16:01 -0500, Jack Hollis > >> >> >> >>> <xslee...(a)aol.com> > >> >> >> >>> wrote: > > >> >> >> >>>>Show me the place in the IPCC report where it says with > >> >> >> >>>>absolute > >> >> >> >>>>certainty that the current warming trend is being caused by > >> >> >> >>>>humans. > > >> >> >> >>> There IS no absolute certainty either way or there wouldn't > >> >> >> >>> be > >> >> >> >>> any > >> >> >> >>> argument. > > >> >> >> >> Exactly Bobby, but the ideologues in the AGW crowd will have > >> >> >> >> none > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> that! The science is settled they spew. But it is far from > >> >> >> >> being > >> >> >> >> settled. > > >> >> >> > Since it's far from settled, you can't exactly say AGW is > >> >> >> > wrong, > >> >> >> > now > >> >> >> > can > >> >> >> > you? > > >> >> >> You can't say that AGW doesn't occur. You also can't say that AGW > >> >> >> does > >> >> >> occur. > > >> >> >> The AGW crowd is wrong in the sense that they have been saying > >> >> >> for > >> >> >> years > >> >> >> that the science is settled and AGW is happening. It was and is a > >> >> >> lie > >> >> >> plain > >> >> >> and simple promoted for political reasons masquerading behind > >> >> >> faulty > >> >> >> "science". > > >> >> > No they have not been saying it is "settled". > > >> >> You truely are an idiot. > > >> > "Truely"? OK. show me where the science is "settled". > > >> It isnt. But somebody might want to tell Al Gore that. > > > You clearly have a quote from him claiming that the science is > > "settled"? > > The science is settled, Gore told the lawmakers. Carbon-dioxide > emissions - > from cars, power plants, buildings and other sources - are heating the > Earth's atmosphere. > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9047642- Hide quoted > text - > > - Show quoted text - For climate change deniers, it's much easier to beat up on Al Gore than to study and respond to the science. But frankly, I don't blame them. He's arrogant and self-righteous and he does his cause more harm than good in my view. ==================================== You honestly think calling people skeptical of AGW "deniers" is helping your cause? There are plenty of skeptical people who have studied the science.
From: John B. on 18 Feb 2010 17:39 On Feb 18, 5:14 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:7c367a86-319c-4dc0-b889-295421c86eef(a)y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 18, 3:11 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > >news:clark-81577F.14252318022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > In article <7u5a50Fd4...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >> "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > >>news:clark-0771DB.11075018022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > >> > In article <7u55f1Fhn...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >> >> "William Clark" <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > > >> >>news:wclark2-5A4756.22020617022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu.... > > >> >> > In article <wHUen.74969$RS6.11...(a)newsfe15.iad>, > > >> >> > "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote: > > > >> >> >> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >> >> >>news:4b7c1584$0$5110$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > >> >> >> > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:20:58 -0600, MNMikeW wrote: > > >> >> >> >> <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > >> >> >> >>news:7ihmn5lgj229dobctt1r6atpqcq0rurdcu(a)4ax.com... > > >> >> >> >>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:16:01 -0500, Jack Hollis > > >> >> >> >>> <xslee...(a)aol.com> > > >> >> >> >>> wrote: > > > >> >> >> >>>>Show me the place in the IPCC report where it says with > > >> >> >> >>>>absolute > > >> >> >> >>>>certainty that the current warming trend is being caused by > > >> >> >> >>>>humans. > > > >> >> >> >>> There IS no absolute certainty either way or there wouldn't > > >> >> >> >>> be > > >> >> >> >>> any > > >> >> >> >>> argument. > > > >> >> >> >> Exactly Bobby, but the ideologues in the AGW crowd will have > > >> >> >> >> none > > >> >> >> >> of > > >> >> >> >> that! The science is settled they spew. But it is far from > > >> >> >> >> being > > >> >> >> >> settled. > > > >> >> >> > Since it's far from settled, you can't exactly say AGW is > > >> >> >> > wrong, > > >> >> >> > now > > >> >> >> > can > > >> >> >> > you? > > > >> >> >> You can't say that AGW doesn't occur. You also can't say that AGW > > >> >> >> does > > >> >> >> occur. > > > >> >> >> The AGW crowd is wrong in the sense that they have been saying > > >> >> >> for > > >> >> >> years > > >> >> >> that the science is settled and AGW is happening. It was and is a > > >> >> >> lie > > >> >> >> plain > > >> >> >> and simple promoted for political reasons masquerading behind > > >> >> >> faulty > > >> >> >> "science". > > > >> >> > No they have not been saying it is "settled". > > > >> >> You truely are an idiot. > > > >> > "Truely"? OK. show me where the science is "settled". > > > >> It isnt. But somebody might want to tell Al Gore that. > > > > You clearly have a quote from him claiming that the science is > > > "settled"? > > > The science is settled, Gore told the lawmakers. Carbon-dioxide > > emissions - > > from cars, power plants, buildings and other sources - are heating the > > Earth's atmosphere. > > >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9047642-Hide quoted > > text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > For climate change deniers, it's much easier to beat up on Al Gore > than to study and respond to the science. But frankly, I don't blame > them. He's arrogant and self-righteous and he does his cause more harm > than good in my view. > > ==================================== > > You honestly think calling people skeptical of AGW "deniers" is helping your > cause? There are plenty of skeptical people who have studied the science.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - OK, skeptics. Sorry.
From: Carbon on 18 Feb 2010 17:54 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:20:49 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b7c9759$0$5107$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:18:46 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <jj2pn59q3f32b13lfaj9i0nnjes857c0sh(a)4ax.com>, >>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:22:56 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>>In article <4b7c5bad$0$4878$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>>>>nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>>> >>>>>> Obviously all the non-scientific laymen pontificating here and >>>>>> elsewhere are in the best possible position to understand the >>>>>> issue. Ignore the climatologists! If they say inconvenient things >>>>>> they must be biased! >>>>> >>>>> Have you been living in a cave since November? The >>>>> "climatologists" have not been involved in science, they have been >>>>> caught advancing political views and social engineering. As each >>>>> new day passes the revelations that the WWF, a student's master >>>>> thesis and other rabid environmentalist organizations have been >>>>> used as references to promote the catastrophic warming described >>>>> in the IPCC reports. But, you can ignore all of that and stick to >>>>> your guns and ignore all of this because you it doesn't fit your >>>>> desired outcome. >>>> >>>> Just for kicks, what is his desired outcome, and why? Now show us >>>> your mind-reading capabilities Bert. >>> >>> Control. >> >> And this is different from the anti-AGW apologists, how exactly? > > I don't want to tax every breath you exhale! I see. So you don't know or care about the truth or the potential for future devastation if the AGW alarmists turn out to be correct. You just want the lowest possible tax rate. Bert, you are a man among men.
From: BAR on 18 Feb 2010 17:54 In article <37d80766-7b3e-4ca4-8dd6-f3af2a3e2cd1 @o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > Please pass along this fact to the IPCC and the "climatologist" who > > believe history started with the industrial revolution and that the > > billions of years of Earth's existence and climatic cycles that preceded > > 1850 should be studied too. > > > > Was CO2 and the Earths temperature ever greater than it is now and why?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > They don't believe history started with the industrial revolution. > They believe GHG emissions started with the industrial revolution. What are the natural GHG's and where do they come from?
From: BAR on 18 Feb 2010 17:55
In article <7cacc895-61da-42fa-865a-aba9c7065ec4 @q29g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > > Please pass along this fact to the IPCC and the "climatologist" who > > > believe history started with the industrial revolution and that the > > > billions of years of Earth's existence and climatic cycles that preceded > > > 1850 should be studied too. > > > > > Was CO2 and the Earths temperature ever greater than it is now and why?- > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > They don't believe history started with the industrial revolution. > > They believe GHG emissions started with the industrial revolution. > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > Volcanoes started with the industrial revolution?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > OK, Mike, anthropogenic GHG emissions started w/the industrial > revolution. > I would think that methane has been increasing due to the increase in the production of cattle as a managed food product. |