From: William Clark on
In article <4b845f51$0$4847$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:48:02 -0600, Moderate wrote:
> > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
> > news:clark-ED8D5F.10364323022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >> In article <hm0mr7$k8a$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>, "Moderate"
> >> <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Time and time again we see instances of no peer review performed on
> >>> AGW 'science.'
> >>
> >> Really? I am sure you cite these "time and time again" incidents of "no
> >> peer review". Please do - and don't try to palm us off with your usual
> >> "you can find them yourself" BS.
> >
> > The cites have been previously posted. You persist in ignoring them.
>
> Now there's a shocker.

Yup, right on cue. Never fails.
From: William Clark on
In article <hm37sq$oa5$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
"Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:

> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark-B07174.17333423022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <hm1ish$7ci$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
> > "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:clark-80C8A4.14011723022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >> > In article <7uicbtFlqaU1(a)mid.individual.net>,
> >> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> There is none more suckered here than you.
> >> >
> >> > Very clever - now back into the corner.
> >>
> >> Looks like it is Clark who is backed into a corner.
> >
> > Really - from the man who can never actually find a cite .
>
> Stop projecting Clark. You are the one who pretends they weren't posted.
> Maybe you should read one.

Maybe you should actually even find them.
From: John B. on
On Feb 24, 8:54 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> On Feb 23, 5:20 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 23, 4:17 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 22, 7:33 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <a3017451-c593-446e-87d9-c9fff7081...(a)e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > >  Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 22, 4:42 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-
> > > > > state.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > In article <3Xxgn.76283$OX4.5...(a)newsfe25.iad>, assimil...(a)borg..org
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 22-Feb-2010, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > The evidence suggests that the effect is significant, and is
> > > > > > > > swamping the natural cycle to unprecedented levels.
>
> > > > > > > the <cough, cough> evidence is being called into question. The "proposed"
> > > > > > > solutions look worse than the "problem."
>
> > > > > > No it is not - at least by any one other than the denialists, who have a
> > > > > > financial stake in convincing everyone that the emperor has no clothes.
> > > > > > The fact remains that the quibbles that heave been blown into mountains
> > > > > > are just that - minor quibbles. The main predictions and conclusions
> > > > > > remain, in spite of what a certain hysterical section of the media would
> > > > > > have us believe.
>
> > > > > What "major prediction" in this area has come to be...and they have
> > > > > been making them for 40 years now. Name one that has happened.
>
> > > > That eight different global warming models indicate the current
> > > > accelerated global warming?
>
> > > About your speed I guess. The issue is hysteria. I'll grant the global
> > > warming, and even if so, so what? How about ice caps melting and
> > > cities flooding? How about accelerated increases in high intensity
> > > hurricanes and tornadoes? They all never happened.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > The polar ice cap IS melting. There HAS been an increase in the
> > intensity of hurricanes.
>
> Really? I'll bet you both polar ice caps are still there. What do you
> base the intensity of storms response on? Last year was pretty quiet.
> Seems to me there is a high pressure cell sitting over north america
> during hurricane season that deflects the hurricanes the last few
> years. If global warming gave us that, all I can say is THANKS!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

First of all there's only one polar ice cap. I didn't say it was gone,
I said it has been melting. It's much smaller than it used to be.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Feb 24, 8:56 am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-
state.edu> wrote:

>
> Data is data - and what instruments say is the starting point you cannot
> fudge or deny. There are eight or more independent models based on
> different sets of data, and the funny thing is they all point to exactly
> the same trends.
>

No they "is" not. That's your Oxford English working again I suppose.

Where you measure has a profound influence on what you measure. Don't
you know that?
From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Feb 24, 9:13 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 24, 8:54 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 23, 5:20 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 23, 4:17 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 22, 7:33 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <a3017451-c593-446e-87d9-c9fff7081...(a)e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > > >  Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Feb 22, 4:42 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-
> > > > > > state.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article <3Xxgn.76283$OX4.5...(a)newsfe25.iad>, assimil...(a)borg.org
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On 22-Feb-2010, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > The evidence suggests that the effect is significant, and is
> > > > > > > > > swamping the natural cycle to unprecedented levels.
>
> > > > > > > > the <cough, cough> evidence is being called into question. The "proposed"
> > > > > > > > solutions look worse than the "problem."
>
> > > > > > > No it is not - at least by any one other than the denialists, who have a
> > > > > > > financial stake in convincing everyone that the emperor has no clothes.
> > > > > > > The fact remains that the quibbles that heave been blown into mountains
> > > > > > > are just that - minor quibbles. The main predictions and conclusions
> > > > > > > remain, in spite of what a certain hysterical section of the media would
> > > > > > > have us believe.
>
> > > > > > What "major prediction" in this area has come to be...and they have
> > > > > > been making them for 40 years now. Name one that has happened.
>
> > > > > That eight different global warming models indicate the current
> > > > > accelerated global warming?
>
> > > > About your speed I guess. The issue is hysteria. I'll grant the global
> > > > warming, and even if so, so what? How about ice caps melting and
> > > > cities flooding? How about accelerated increases in high intensity
> > > > hurricanes and tornadoes? They all never happened.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > The polar ice cap IS melting. There HAS been an increase in the
> > > intensity of hurricanes.
>
> > Really? I'll bet you both polar ice caps are still there. What do you
> > base the intensity of storms response on? Last year was pretty quiet.
> > Seems to me there is a high pressure cell sitting over north america
> > during hurricane season that deflects the hurricanes the last few
> > years. If global warming gave us that, all I can say is THANKS!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> First of all there's only one polar ice cap. I didn't say it was gone,
> I said it has been melting. It's much smaller than it used to be.

You and I live on different plants then. There is a north and south
pole. There is "ocean" at the north pole, covered with an ice cap.
There is a continent at the south pole, and it too is covered by an
ice cap.

Any such ice cap with do one of two things over any stretch of time,
it will either:

a) grow

or

b) shrink

over any one particular period of time. If it is shrinking, it's
shrinking. That the shrinking correlates with the rise of the
Hollywood movie industry is hardly reason to conclude that Hollywood
movies are causing these ice caps to shrink.
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