From: BAR on 24 Feb 2010 19:40
In article <4b85bd83$0$12871$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 05:42:17 +0000, assimilate wrote:
> > On 22-Feb-2010, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >>> Certainty, not quite, evidence free, hardly. My opinions come from
> >>> digging into the matter, not just listening to the sound bites on
> >>> the stele.
> >> Uh huh. Anyway, I have posted stats about average life expectancy and
> >> total cost of healthcare as a percentage of GDP. You apparently find
> >> the numbers inconvenient.
> > no I find them superficial. You have grasped on to 2 straws to make
> > your case and you cling to them fervently. It is you that doesn't want
> > to hear why your stats don't mean much.
> You know what's superficial? Saying over and over again that something
> is superficial and never once saying why.
Universal Health Care, at its finest? It didn't help the life expectancy
of many of these British people. But, it did attempt to be the most
efficient to the point of saving money on washing sheets, cleaning
rooms, providing food and basic care to people.
From: Jack Hollis on 24 Feb 2010 21:24
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:16:04 -0800 (PST), "John B."
>Never before in human history has the polar ice cap shrunk in both
>thickness and area as much as it has recently. Never has it melted
>completely in summer, as is expected this century.
Really? Where did you get this information?
Did you ever hear of the medieval warming period?
From: Jack Hollis on 24 Feb 2010 21:28
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:31:38 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>Good UPenn is an Ivy league school. Penn State is just another school.
Yes, let's not confuse excellence with mediocrity.
From: John B. on 24 Feb 2010 22:22
On Feb 24, 9:24 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:16:04 -0800 (PST), "John B."
> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >Never before in human history has the polar ice cap shrunk in both
> >thickness and area as much as it has recently. Never has it melted
> >completely in summer, as is expected this century.
> Really? Where did you get this information?
> Did you ever hear of the medieval warming period?
What happened, or didn't happen, during that period is hotly disputed.
Whatever the truth is, I don't think anyone back then was able to
measure the area or thickness of the polar ice cap.
From: assimilate on 25 Feb 2010 00:53
On 23-Feb-2010, William Clark <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > But you don't, because you wouldn't know "shoddy science" unless Fox
> > > news told you. This is a classic strawman argument, designed to hamper
> > > progress towards dealing with the real issues.
> > Please Sir Ad Hominem, you don't have the foggiest idea where I inform
> > myself, but I can assure you that television is not where I go. Anyone
> > who
> > relys on the tube for news hasn't got a clue. As far as science goes,
> > since
> > you think that fraud, data tampering and rigging the peer review process
> > isn't shoddy science, then there really is no hope for you.
> Well, one thing is clear, and that is that science is not your forte. On
> the other hand, getting suckered by manufactured hysteria on isolated
> and minor incidents such as happen all the time in a research field,
> seems to be more your style.
All the manufacturing seems to have been done at the CRU