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From: William Clark on 1 Mar 2010 09:39 In article <hmgfd6$p93$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > news:clark-BE9104.07594701032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > In article <4b8ba5d2$0$12442$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net>, > > "Moderate" <sparky@_engineer_.com> wrote: > > > >> "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >> news:495e3abc-6246-4cee-a8d9-32378b265f8d(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com... > >> > >> Find me one climatologists who says his model is absolute. > >> > >> ************************************************** > >> > >> Al Gore, William Clark. > > > > 0 for 2 again. Neither of us is a climatologist, neither claims the > > models to be "absolute". > > > > Sigh. > > But you both play one in real life. And you both present the models as > absolute. Not at all. The only people presenting "absolutes" on this issue are denialists like you, who state with "absolute" certainty that AGW does not exist, even though they have never even looked at the data.
From: William Clark on 1 Mar 2010 09:41 In article <MPG.25f58754bb4eb8a4989c75(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <clark-BE9104.07594701032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > In article <4b8ba5d2$0$12442$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net>, > > "Moderate" <sparky@_engineer_.com> wrote: > > > > > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:495e3abc-6246-4cee-a8d9-32378b265f8d(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > Find me one climatologists who says his model is absolute. > > > > > > ************************************************** > > > > > > Al Gore, William Clark. > > > > 0 for 2 again. Neither of us is a climatologist, neither claims the > > models to be "absolute". > > > > Sigh. > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7332803/ > A-perfect-storm-is-brewing-for-the-IPCC.html > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870423130457509209092414034 > 2.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection > > Billy it appears that the walls are crumbling. > > The question now becomes when were the "errors" introduced and how deep > are they now. Again, simply more denialist screaming from the friends of the right. Both these rags have been firmly lodged on that side since day 1. Why should anyone expect any different take from them?
From: MNMikeW on 1 Mar 2010 10:52 "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message news:clark-2D0495.09414101032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > In article <MPG.25f58754bb4eb8a4989c75(a)news.giganews.com>, > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > >> In article <clark-BE9104.07594701032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- >> state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... >> > >> > In article <4b8ba5d2$0$12442$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net>, >> > "Moderate" <sparky@_engineer_.com> wrote: >> > >> > > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> > > news:495e3abc-6246-4cee-a8d9-32378b265f8d(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com... >> > > >> > > Find me one climatologists who says his model is absolute. >> > > >> > > ************************************************** >> > > >> > > Al Gore, William Clark. >> > >> > 0 for 2 again. Neither of us is a climatologist, neither claims the >> > models to be "absolute". >> > >> > Sigh. >> >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7332803/ >> A-perfect-storm-is-brewing-for-the-IPCC.html >> >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870423130457509209092414034 >> 2.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection >> >> Billy it appears that the walls are crumbling. >> >> The question now becomes when were the "errors" introduced and how deep >> are they now. > > Again, simply more denialist screaming from the friends of the right. > Both these rags have been firmly lodged on that side since day 1. Why > should anyone expect any different take from them? And more alarmist screaming from you.
From: William Clark on 1 Mar 2010 11:30 In article <7v265iFpusU1(a)mid.individual.net>, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > news:clark-2D0495.09414101032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > In article <MPG.25f58754bb4eb8a4989c75(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > >> In article <clark-BE9104.07594701032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > >> state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > >> > > >> > In article <4b8ba5d2$0$12442$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net>, > >> > "Moderate" <sparky@_engineer_.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >> > > news:495e3abc-6246-4cee-a8d9-32378b265f8d(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com. > >> > > .. > >> > > > >> > > Find me one climatologists who says his model is absolute. > >> > > > >> > > ************************************************** > >> > > > >> > > Al Gore, William Clark. > >> > > >> > 0 for 2 again. Neither of us is a climatologist, neither claims the > >> > models to be "absolute". > >> > > >> > Sigh. > >> > >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7332803/ > >> A-perfect-storm-is-brewing-for-the-IPCC.html > >> > >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870423130457509209092414034 > >> 2.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection > >> > >> Billy it appears that the walls are crumbling. > >> > >> The question now becomes when were the "errors" introduced and how deep > >> are they now. > > > > Again, simply more denialist screaming from the friends of the right. > > Both these rags have been firmly lodged on that side since day 1. Why > > should anyone expect any different take from them? > > And more alarmist screaming from you. Where?
From: MNMikeW on 1 Mar 2010 12:31
"William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message news:clark-E63C85.11305601032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > In article <7v265iFpusU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message >> news:clark-2D0495.09414101032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... >> > In article <MPG.25f58754bb4eb8a4989c75(a)news.giganews.com>, >> > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> > >> >> In article <clark-BE9104.07594701032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- >> >> state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... >> >> > >> >> > In article <4b8ba5d2$0$12442$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net>, >> >> > "Moderate" <sparky@_engineer_.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> > > news:495e3abc-6246-4cee-a8d9-32378b265f8d(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com. >> >> > > .. >> >> > > >> >> > > Find me one climatologists who says his model is absolute. >> >> > > >> >> > > ************************************************** >> >> > > >> >> > > Al Gore, William Clark. >> >> > >> >> > 0 for 2 again. Neither of us is a climatologist, neither claims the >> >> > models to be "absolute". >> >> > >> >> > Sigh. >> >> >> >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7332803/ >> >> A-perfect-storm-is-brewing-for-the-IPCC.html >> >> >> >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870423130457509209092414034 >> >> 2.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection >> >> >> >> Billy it appears that the walls are crumbling. >> >> >> >> The question now becomes when were the "errors" introduced and how >> >> deep >> >> are they now. >> > >> > Again, simply more denialist screaming from the friends of the right. >> > Both these rags have been firmly lodged on that side since day 1. Why >> > should anyone expect any different take from them? >> >> And more alarmist screaming from you. > > Where? Research by hurricane scientists may force the UN's climate panel to reconsider its claims that greenhouse gas emissions have caused an increase in the number of tropical storms. The benchmark report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said that a worldwide increase in hurricane-force storms since 1970 was probably linked to global warming. It followed some of the most damaging storms in history such as Hurricane Katrina, which hit New Orleans and Hurricane Dennis which hit Cuba, both in 2005. The IPCC added that humanity could expect a big increase in such storms over the 21st century unless greenhouse gas emissions were controlled. The warning helped turn hurricanes into one of the most iconic threats of global warming, with politicians including Ed Miliband, the energy secretary, and Al Gore citing them as a growing threat to humanity. However, the latest research, just published in Nature Geoscience, paints a very different picture. It suggests that the rise in hurricane frequency since 1995 was just part of a natural cycle, and that several similar previous increases have been recorded, each followed by a decline. Looking to the future, it also draws on computer modelling to predict that the most likely impact of global warming will be to decrease the frequency of tropical storms, by up to 34% by 2100. It does, however, suggest that when tropical storms do occur they could get slightly stronger, with average windspeeds rising by 2-11% by 2100. A storm is termed a hurricane when wind speeds exceed 74mph, but most are much stronger. A category 4 or 5 hurricane such as Katrina generates speeds in excess of 150mph. "We have come to substantially different conclusions from the IPCC," said Chris Landsea, a lead scientist at the American government's National Hurricane Center, who co-authored the report. He added: "There are a lot of legitimate concerns about climate change but, in my opinion, hurricanes are not among them. We are looking at a decrease in frequency and a small increase in severity." Landsea said he regarded the use of hurricane icons on the cover of Gore's book as "misleading". |