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From: William Clark on 4 Mar 2010 19:32 In article <a43e5e12-d0a7-45ba-954f-d08a98c003dc(a)e7g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Mar 1, 7:58�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > wrote: > > In article > > <49640620-185e-45a4-b255-9302e7050...(a)b30g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Mar 1, 5:19�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > > state.edu> wrote: > > > > In article <7v2rfuFpo...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > �"MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:e3601d5d-61dd-4dda-befa-ee93ab8a19a7(a)g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com. > > > > >.. > > > > > On Mar 1, 12:31 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in > > > > > > message > > > > > > > >news:clark-E63C85.11305601032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > > > > > In article <7v265iFpu...(a)mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > > "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in > > > > > > >> message > > > > > > >>news:clark-2D0495.09414101032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu.. > > > > > > >>. > > > > > > >> > In article <MPG.25f58754bb4eb8a4989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > >> > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> In article > > > > > > >> >> <clark-BE9104.07594701032...(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > > > > >> >> state.edu>, cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > > > > > >> >> > In article <4b8ba5d2$0$12442$bbae4...(a)news.suddenlink.net>, > > > > > > >> >> > "Moderate" <sparky@_engineer_.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >> >> > >news:495e3abc-6246-4cee-a8d9-32378b265f8d(a)q16g2000yqq.googl > > > > > > >> >> > >egro > > > > > > >> >> > >ups. > > > > > > >> >> > >com. > > > > > > >> >> > > .. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Find me one climatologists who says his model is > > > > > > >> >> > > absolute. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ************************************************** > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Al Gore, William Clark. > > > > > > > > >> >> > 0 for 2 again. Neither of us is a climatologist, neither > > > > > > >> >> > claims > > > > > > >> >> > the > > > > > > >> >> > models to be "absolute". > > > > > > > > >> >> > Sigh. > > > > > > > > >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker > > > > > > >> >>/733 > > > > > > >> >>2803 > > > > > > >> >>/ > > > > > > >> >> A-perfect-storm-is-brewing-for-the-IPCC.html > > > > > > > > >> >>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870423130457509209 > > > > > > >> >>0924 > > > > > > >> >>1403 > > > > > > >> >>4 > > > > > > >> >> 2.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection > > > > > > > > >> >> Billy it appears that the walls are crumbling. > > > > > > > > >> >> The question now becomes when were the "errors" introduced > > > > > > >> >> and > > > > > > >> >> how > > > > > > >> >> deep > > > > > > >> >> are they now. > > > > > > > > >> > Again, simply more denialist screaming from the friends of the > > > > > > >> > right. > > > > > > >> > Both these rags have been firmly lodged on that side since day > > > > > > >> > 1. > > > > > > >> > Why > > > > > > >> > should anyone expect any different take from them? > > > > > > > > >> And more alarmist screaming from you. > > > > > > > > > Where? > > > > > > > > Research by hurricane scientists may force the UN's climate panel > > > > > > to > > > > > > reconsider its claims that greenhouse gas emissions have caused an > > > > > > increase > > > > > > in the number of tropical storms. > > > > > > > > The benchmark report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate > > > > > > Change > > > > > > (IPCC) said that a worldwide increase in hurricane-force storms > > > > > > since > > > > > > 1970 > > > > > > was probably linked to global warming. > > > > > > > > It followed some of the most damaging storms in history such as > > > > > > Hurricane > > > > > > Katrina, which hit New Orleans and Hurricane Dennis which hit Cuba, > > > > > > both > > > > > > in > > > > > > 2005. > > > > > > > > The IPCC added that humanity could expect a big increase in such > > > > > > storms > > > > > > over > > > > > > the 21st century unless greenhouse gas emissions were controlled. > > > > > > > > The warning helped turn hurricanes into one of the most iconic > > > > > > threats > > > > > > of > > > > > > global warming, with politicians including Ed Miliband, the energy > > > > > > secretary, and Al Gore citing them as a growing threat to humanity. > > > > > > > > However, the latest research, just published in Nature Geoscience, > > > > > > paints > > > > > > a > > > > > > very different picture. > > > > > > > > It suggests that the rise in hurricane frequency since 1995 was > > > > > > just > > > > > > part > > > > > > of > > > > > > a natural cycle, and that several similar previous increases have > > > > > > been > > > > > > recorded, each followed by a decline. > > > > > > > > Looking to the future, it also draws on computer modelling to > > > > > > predict > > > > > > that > > > > > > the most likely impact of global warming will be to decrease the > > > > > > frequency > > > > > > of tropical storms, by up to 34% by 2100. > > > > > > > > It does, however, suggest that when tropical storms do occur they > > > > > > could > > > > > > get > > > > > > slightly stronger, with average windspeeds rising by 2-11% by 2100. > > > > > > A > > > > > > storm > > > > > > is termed a hurricane when wind speeds exceed 74mph, but most are > > > > > > much > > > > > > stronger. A category 4 or 5 hurricane such as Katrina generates > > > > > > speeds > > > > > > in > > > > > > excess of 150mph. > > > > > > > > "We have come to substantially different conclusions from the > > > > > > IPCC," > > > > > > said > > > > > > Chris Landsea, a lead scientist at the American government's > > > > > > National > > > > > > Hurricane Center, who co-authored the report. > > > > > > > > He added: "There are a lot of legitimate concerns about climate > > > > > > change > > > > > > but, > > > > > > in my opinion, hurricanes are not among them. We are looking at a > > > > > > decrease > > > > > > in frequency and a small increase in severity." Landsea said he > > > > > > regarded > > > > > > the > > > > > > use of hurricane icons on the cover of Gore's book as "misleading". > > > > > > > I assume this is from Newsmax or some equally credible news outlet. > > > > > The IPCC predicted in 2007 an increase in coastal storm severity, but > > > > > not frequency. > > > > > ====================== > > > > > > >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7044158.ece > > > > > > Another one of Murdoch's stable. Used to be such a great newspaper. > > > > Pity. > > > > > I have some fool of a textbook that proposes to argue both sides of > > > the environmental debate. It is not unused in education, BTW. IT does > > > not argue empirically at all, but rather makes claims about what > > > interest is behind what group. Totally meaningless and absolutely > > > unscientific. Who owns a publication has absolutely nothing at all to > > > do with the validity of published data. Of course, as we know, the > > > left notoriously draws conclusions from pure speculation and calls it > > > sceince..and whether anyone else does it or not is irrelevant to that > > > fact, and we can watch Maddow and Olbermann tonight for examples of > > > this if you wish, and thus no one on the left is in any position to > > > assail any one else's credibility in this area. At the very worst, > > > anyone else is no worse than you! > > > > What in God's name are you driveling about? > > So you really can't see the relationship between your "Murdoch's > stable" comment and my response? You know what? I believe you! It's > that Oxford education at work! I You are starting to dribble again. |