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From: Alan Baker on 21 Jul 2010 01:14 In article <i24plt$upt$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-920CF5.09104620072010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article <MPG.26af55fd1a11596b98a134(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > >> In article <k1r9469e2p32o4bhjpb4ollsaeiu4s38ch(a)4ax.com>, > >> howard(a)brazee.net says... > >> > > >> > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:28:51 -0700 (PDT), dsc-ky > >> > <Dudley.Cornman(a)eku.edu> wrote: > >> > > >> > >Is it really that clear cut.? I consider the health care bill > >> > >oppresive. He had a huge part in that. > >> > > >> > How do you expect to be oppressed by it? > >> > > >> > It switched how we pay for the poor from higher hospital costs (passed > >> > on to our insurance companies), to higher taxes paying for insurance. > >> > > >> > That's oppressive? That's hardly different from what we are doing > >> > now! > >> > >> The poor should be paying for their own health care just like they pay > >> for their own food, cars, cell phone, plasma TVs, .... > > > > This fantasy "poor" you've invented is solely so you can abdicate your > > responsibilities as a human being. > > So you don't know any poor people? You haven't ever seen a person paying > for groceries with food stamps and talking on their cell phone? Never seen > a poor person play the lottery every week, smoke, drink, drug, drive or > watch cable TV? I wouldn't say I've never seen it... ....but unlike you, I don't pretend that everyone who is poor can be written off like that. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 21 Jul 2010 01:17 In article <MPG.26afec552ee5ca2498a13a(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <alangbaker-920CF5.09104620072010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > > > > In article <MPG.26af55fd1a11596b98a134(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <k1r9469e2p32o4bhjpb4ollsaeiu4s38ch(a)4ax.com>, > > > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:28:51 -0700 (PDT), dsc-ky > > > > <Dudley.Cornman(a)eku.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Is it really that clear cut.? I consider the health care bill > > > > >oppresive. He had a huge part in that. > > > > > > > > How do you expect to be oppressed by it? > > > > > > > > It switched how we pay for the poor from higher hospital costs (passed > > > > on to our insurance companies), to higher taxes paying for insurance. > > > > > > > > That's oppressive? That's hardly different from what we are doing > > > > now! > > > > > > The poor should be paying for their own health care just like they pay > > > for their own food, cars, cell phone, plasma TVs, .... > > > > This fantasy "poor" you've invented is solely so you can abdicate your > > responsibilities as a human being. > > Call it whatever you want. I am not responsible for someone else's bad > choice just like I am not entitled to benefit from someone else's good > choices. > > If you want to talk about abdicating responsibilities as a human being I > will assume that you have done just that due to the fact that you > haven't given all of your means above your basic needs away to the poor. Nope. I recognize that we have a responsibility to help other people in need because it is the right thing to do. That doesn't mean "giving all of [one's] means above basic needs away". Look up "false dichotomy". -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Moderate on 21 Jul 2010 06:16 Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:13:26 +0000, Moderate wrote: >> Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:33:54 +0000, Moderate wrote: >>>> Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:32:29 -0700, dene wrote: >>>>>> "dsc-ky" <Dudley.Cornman(a)eku.edu> wrote in message >>>>>> news:05db752e-22da-4c95-91c0- >>>>>> c95b3d95e03f(a)d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> >>>>>>> So what makes "others" right? It's going to mean a lot of money >>>>>>> out of out pockets... at the very least. >>>>>> >>>>>> The insured pay the uninsured medical bills. That's plenty of > > > > > > out >>>>>> of pocket for the responsible insured. This distinction with O's >>>>>> plan is that the uninsured slacker will have the choice to buy >>>>>> insurance or pay extra taxes. Either way, they pay instead of us >>>>>> paying their bills for them. >>>>> >>>>> There are other consequences. I worked with a fellow who had been >>>>> laid off for nearly a year due to the recession. He could not >>>>> afford COBRA and keep his family fed. He got cancer. He died last >>>>> week. >>>> >>>> How does Obama's plan help your friend? >>> >>> It doesn't. Universal healthcare would have helped him, but big >>> healthcare did everything they could to get that shot down. >> >> Obama care is big health care. Actually, bigger health care. > > How do you know his plan will cost more than the system it's > replacing? > Fox News? GAO
From: bknight on 21 Jul 2010 06:36 On 21 Jul 2010 10:16:16 GMT, Moderate <nospam(a)nomail.com> wrote: > >The Obama economy is much worse than the Bush economy. He's doing his best to stem the Bush economy free fall that got us here. BK
From: BAR on 21 Jul 2010 07:14
In article <6621774c-46ce-419f-b2e8-d69752c29e82 @l14g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > On Jul 20, 2:25�pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > > "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message > > > > news:alangbaker-920CF5.09104620072010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > > > > > > > > In article <MPG.26af55fd1a11596b98a...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >> In article <k1r9469e2p32o4bhjpb4ollsaeiu4s3...(a)4ax.com>, > > >> how...(a)brazee.net says... > > > > >> > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:28:51 -0700 (PDT), dsc-ky > > >> > <Dudley.Corn...(a)eku.edu> wrote: > > > > >> > >Is it really that clear cut.? I consider the health care bill > > >> > >oppresive. He had a huge part in that. > > > > >> > How do you expect to be oppressed by it? > > > > >> > It switched how we pay for the poor from higher hospital costs (passed > > >> > on to our insurance companies), to higher taxes paying for insurance. > > > > >> > That's oppressive? �That's hardly different from what we are doing > > >> > now! > > > > >> The poor should be paying for their own health care just like they pay > > >> for their own food, cars, cell phone, plasma TVs, .... > > > > > This fantasy "poor" you've invented is solely so you can abdicate your > > > responsibilities as a human being. > > > > So you don't know any poor people? �You haven't ever seen a person paying > > for groceries with food stamps and talking on their cell phone? �Never seen > > a poor person play the lottery every week, smoke, drink, drug, drive or > > watch cable TV? > > Cell phones are cheaper than land-line phones. How bad off does a > person have to be to earn your appellation as "poor?" $20 per month * 12 monhts = $240 per year for a land-line. Cell phone is going to cost you at least that much even if it is a throw away phone. And, you get to take the cell phone with you. Most likely people with cell phones are paying $100 per month for a yearly cost of $1200. That is a tremendous amout of money just to keep in touch. As soon as my kids are out of high-school my land-line phone is gone. |