From: Don Kirkman on
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:04:12 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com>
wrote:

>"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:4c479525$0$5001$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:51:57 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4c465058$0$4974$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:13:26 +0000, Moderate wrote:
>>>>> Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

[cites apparently messed up]

>>>>>>> How does Obama's plan help your friend?

>>>>>> It doesn't. Universal healthcare would have helped him, but big
>>>>>> healthcare did everything they could to get that shot down.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama care is big health care. Actually, bigger health care.

>>>> How do you know his plan will cost more than the system it's
>>>> replacing? Fox News?

>>> CBO.

>> Specifically?
>
>http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/115xx/doc11544/Presentation5-26-10.pdf

Is that the one that begins with this . . .

[start]
CBO's Estimates of the Longer-Run Effects of This Year's Legislation

- CBO defines the "federal budgetary commitment to health care" as the
sum of net federal outlays for health programs and tax preferences for
health care.

-The legislation will increase this commitment by nearly $400 billion
during the 2010-2019 period but reduce it in the following decade.

-The legislation will reduce budget deficits by about $140 billion
during the 2010-2019 period and by an amount in a broad range around
one-half percent of GDP during the following decade.
[end]

.. . .and has a chart showing the deficit as essentially a flat line
through 2019, with a slight *dip* in the near years?

The paragraphs "supporting" your assertion are in the section
discussing *critiques* of the legislation, not in the CBO's analysis.
--
Don Kirkman
donsno2(a)charter.net
From: John B. on
On Jul 21, 6:52 pm, dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...(a)eku.edu> wrote:
> On Jul 21, 3:04 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
>
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> > On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:36:02 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com>
> > wrote:
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> > >Looks Like Blago is not taking the stand either now. Gee, wonder why.
>
> > Don't get me wrong Mike, I want Blagojevich to go to jail for the
> > maximum.  I just don't believe that Obama is corrupt.
>
> > Damn, just show me a Republican that would make a better President and
> > I'll vote for him.  I know, big laugh that they all are.  Bullshit.
> > Can you imagine that McCain would have done anything better?  He can't
> > make his mind up about anything.
>
> > BK
>
> McCain would likely not have done a whole lot... which in this case
> could have saved us billions of wasted dollars we don't have from the
> stimulus package alone. Not that I'm fond of McCain... I'm not. If
> McCain were in, maybe there would have been gridlock... which is
> almost always good.

You're right -- McCain wouldn't have done a goddamn thing and as a
result we might well be in a depression right now.
From: Moderate on

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-3F8103.09221222072010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> In article
> <53091742301489069.190718nospam-nomail.com(a)news.suddenlink.net>,
> Moderate <nospam(a)nomail.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm saying the report didn't even examine the question of lies.
>> >
>> > Quote some of these "facts"...
>>
>> What lies? Quote the facts? Are you unable to read the report for
>> yourself?
>
> Yup. But you're the one who said it proves your point.
>
> *You* quote it.
>
>>
>> You can lead a conspiracy theorist to water, but you can' stop them from
>> drinking the koolaid.
>
> LOL

It does prove my point. You can't come up with a single lie.


From: John B. on
On Jul 21, 8:28 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:32:31 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> > <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message
> >news:3pge4697ghf73ijekcs7qujposnfn3v992(a)4ax.com...
>
> >> So there are areas in which you see Obama being reasonable?  Hell, even
> >> I thought Bush made some reasonable moves, although I can't think of
> >> one now.
>
> > I agree with Obama on only a couple things. Keeping Club Gitmo open.
> > Continuing the Patriot Act.
>
> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/a-hidden-
> world-growing-beyond-control/

By posting this are you implying that the intelligence community was
well-run 18 months ago?
From: Alan Baker on
In article <i2a25s$vog$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
"Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-3F8103.09221222072010(a)news.shawcable.com...
> > In article
> > <53091742301489069.190718nospam-nomail.com(a)news.suddenlink.net>,
> > Moderate <nospam(a)nomail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm saying the report didn't even examine the question of lies.
> >> >
> >> > Quote some of these "facts"...
> >>
> >> What lies? Quote the facts? Are you unable to read the report for
> >> yourself?
> >
> > Yup. But you're the one who said it proves your point.
> >
> > *You* quote it.
> >
> >>
> >> You can lead a conspiracy theorist to water, but you can' stop them from
> >> drinking the koolaid.
> >
> > LOL
>
> It does prove my point. You can't come up with a single lie.

Actually, I can. And have.

But you've avoided replying to those posts.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>