From: Don Kirkman on 22 Jul 2010 14:16 On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:04:12 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com> wrote: >"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >news:4c479525$0$5001$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:51:57 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:4c465058$0$4974$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:13:26 +0000, Moderate wrote: >>>>> Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: [cites apparently messed up] >>>>>>> How does Obama's plan help your friend? >>>>>> It doesn't. Universal healthcare would have helped him, but big >>>>>> healthcare did everything they could to get that shot down. >>>>> >>>>> Obama care is big health care. Actually, bigger health care. >>>> How do you know his plan will cost more than the system it's >>>> replacing? Fox News? >>> CBO. >> Specifically? > >http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/115xx/doc11544/Presentation5-26-10.pdf Is that the one that begins with this . . . [start] CBO's Estimates of the Longer-Run Effects of This Year's Legislation - CBO defines the "federal budgetary commitment to health care" as the sum of net federal outlays for health programs and tax preferences for health care. -The legislation will increase this commitment by nearly $400 billion during the 2010-2019 period but reduce it in the following decade. -The legislation will reduce budget deficits by about $140 billion during the 2010-2019 period and by an amount in a broad range around one-half percent of GDP during the following decade. [end] .. . .and has a chart showing the deficit as essentially a flat line through 2019, with a slight *dip* in the near years? The paragraphs "supporting" your assertion are in the section discussing *critiques* of the legislation, not in the CBO's analysis. -- Don Kirkman donsno2(a)charter.net
From: John B. on 22 Jul 2010 14:17 On Jul 21, 6:52 pm, dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...(a)eku.edu> wrote: > On Jul 21, 3:04 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:36:02 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> > > wrote: > > > >Looks Like Blago is not taking the stand either now. Gee, wonder why. > > > Don't get me wrong Mike, I want Blagojevich to go to jail for the > > maximum. I just don't believe that Obama is corrupt. > > > Damn, just show me a Republican that would make a better President and > > I'll vote for him. I know, big laugh that they all are. Bullshit. > > Can you imagine that McCain would have done anything better? He can't > > make his mind up about anything. > > > BK > > McCain would likely not have done a whole lot... which in this case > could have saved us billions of wasted dollars we don't have from the > stimulus package alone. Not that I'm fond of McCain... I'm not. If > McCain were in, maybe there would have been gridlock... which is > almost always good. You're right -- McCain wouldn't have done a goddamn thing and as a result we might well be in a depression right now.
From: Moderate on 22 Jul 2010 14:20 "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-3F8103.09221222072010(a)news.shawcable.com... > In article > <53091742301489069.190718nospam-nomail.com(a)news.suddenlink.net>, > Moderate <nospam(a)nomail.com> wrote: > >> Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >> > >> > I'm saying the report didn't even examine the question of lies. >> > >> > Quote some of these "facts"... >> >> What lies? Quote the facts? Are you unable to read the report for >> yourself? > > Yup. But you're the one who said it proves your point. > > *You* quote it. > >> >> You can lead a conspiracy theorist to water, but you can' stop them from >> drinking the koolaid. > > LOL It does prove my point. You can't come up with a single lie.
From: John B. on 22 Jul 2010 14:21 On Jul 21, 8:28 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:32:31 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > > <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >news:3pge4697ghf73ijekcs7qujposnfn3v992(a)4ax.com... > > >> So there are areas in which you see Obama being reasonable? Hell, even > >> I thought Bush made some reasonable moves, although I can't think of > >> one now. > > > I agree with Obama on only a couple things. Keeping Club Gitmo open. > > Continuing the Patriot Act. > > http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/a-hidden- > world-growing-beyond-control/ By posting this are you implying that the intelligence community was well-run 18 months ago?
From: Alan Baker on 22 Jul 2010 14:22
In article <i2a25s$vog$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > "Alan Baker" <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:alangbaker-3F8103.09221222072010(a)news.shawcable.com... > > In article > > <53091742301489069.190718nospam-nomail.com(a)news.suddenlink.net>, > > Moderate <nospam(a)nomail.com> wrote: > > > >> Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > >> > > >> > I'm saying the report didn't even examine the question of lies. > >> > > >> > Quote some of these "facts"... > >> > >> What lies? Quote the facts? Are you unable to read the report for > >> yourself? > > > > Yup. But you're the one who said it proves your point. > > > > *You* quote it. > > > >> > >> You can lead a conspiracy theorist to water, but you can' stop them from > >> drinking the koolaid. > > > > LOL > > It does prove my point. You can't come up with a single lie. Actually, I can. And have. But you've avoided replying to those posts. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg> |