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From: Moderate on 23 Jul 2010 20:29 Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article > <76974938301577272.827204nospam-nomail.com(a)news.suddenlink.net>, > Moderate <nospam(a)nomail.com> wrote: > >> Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >>> On Jul 22, 12:20 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: >>>> "Alan Baker" <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:alangbaker-0E2AA9.09351722072010(a)news.shawcable.com... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Armitage wasn't a Clinton appointee. >>>> >>>>> He served as an aide to Senator Bob Dole, a foreign policy advisor >>>>> to >>>>> Ronald Reagan, was promoted to Deputy Assistant of Defence for > > > > > Asia >>>>> and >>>>> then further promoted to Assistant Secretary of Defence for >>>>> International Security Policy by his administration. >>>> >>>>> In 1993 -- when Clinton was president, he entered the private >>>>> sector... >>>> >>>>> ...where he remained until George W. Bush's presidency. >>>> >>>>> So not only is your smoke screen rather obvious, it's just plain >>>>> wrong. >>>> >>>> Armitage served in the Clinton State Department until May 1993. >>> >>> So you acknowledge he wasn't a Clinton appointee. He was there when >>> Clinton arrive and didn't lose his job immediately. >>> >>> He worked for Republicans, got his government job and promotions > > > from >>> Republicans, was re-hired by Republicans. >>> >>> In what way does that make him a "Clinton appointee" when he outed >>> Valerie Plame? >>> >>> Were you lying our just ignorant when you made your earlier claim? >> >> He was appointed by the Clinton administration. You were ignorant in >> your claim. Don't try and spin this on me. > > No, he was not. > > And when he outed Plame he was there because the Bush administration > re-hired him. Yes he was.
From: Carbon on 23 Jul 2010 21:16 On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:21:22 -0700, John B. wrote: > On Jul 21, 8:28 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:32:31 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: >>> <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >>>news:3pge4697ghf73ijekcs7qujposnfn3v992(a)4ax.com... >> >>>> So there are areas in which you see Obama being reasonable? Hell, >>>> even I thought Bush made some reasonable moves, although I can't >>>> think of one now. >>> >>> I agree with Obama on only a couple things. Keeping Club Gitmo open. >>> Continuing the Patriot Act. >> >> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/a- >> hidden-world-growing-beyond-control/ > > By posting this are you implying that the intelligence community was > well-run 18 months ago? Absolutely not. It's a secret bureaucracy, accountable to no one, which soaks up billions of dollars each year. It was constructed by Bush's handlers after 9/11 and it's still there.
From: Carbon on 23 Jul 2010 21:27 On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:05:15 +0000, Moderate wrote: > dsc-ky <Dudley.Cornman(a)eku.edu> wrote: >> On Jul 21, 2:59 pm, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: >> >>> So there are areas in which you see Obama being reasonable? Hell, >>> even I thought Bush made some reasonable moves, although I can't >>> think of one now. >> >> I think Bush bungled the war in many ways... not enough men, played >> too nice at times. > > Obama thought that was the correct strategy. Please cite your evidence that Obama thinks Bush's bungling in the middle east was the correct strategy.
From: John B. on 23 Jul 2010 21:43 On Jul 23, 9:16 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:21:22 -0700, John B. wrote: > > On Jul 21, 8:28 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >>On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:32:31 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > >>> <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > >>>news:3pge4697ghf73ijekcs7qujposnfn3v992(a)4ax.com... > > >>>> So there are areas in which you see Obama being reasonable? Hell, > >>>> even I thought Bush made some reasonable moves, although I can't > >>>> think of one now. > > >>> I agree with Obama on only a couple things. Keeping Club Gitmo open. > >>> Continuing the Patriot Act. > > >>http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/a- > >> hidden-world-growing-beyond-control/ > > > By posting this are you implying that the intelligence community was > > well-run 18 months ago? > > Absolutely not. It's a secret bureaucracy, accountable to no one, which > soaks up billions of dollars each year. It was constructed by Bush's > handlers after 9/11 and it's still there. I know. I thought it was Mike that posted this, then I saw it was you right after I hit send.
From: Carbon on 23 Jul 2010 21:46
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:13:31 -0500, MNMikeW wrote: > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:7a083a2d-42ca-43ff-9058-f73eed3f07f7(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 22, 1:02 pm, "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> Well, my opinion is that removing Saddam was a good thing for the >> region. The timing is debatable but I believe we would have had to do >> it eventually anyway. I think Saddam did indeed have WMDs, but they >> were moved elsewhere before the invasion. > > A good thing for the region? So, we went to war there to make life > better for Iran and Syria? Where do you suppose the WMD was moved to? > > Iran and Syria. Occam's razor: There were billions of dollars worth of WMD that somehow got spirited out of the country under the nose of the rest of the world. Or, there was never any to begin with. |