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From: Alan Baker on 18 Jul 2010 15:07 In article <MPG.26accb2c680cad1098a123(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <alangbaker-560194.17450817072010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > > > > > I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this > > > > > Congress > > > > > keeps > > > > > going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second > > > > > Amendment > > > > > remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country > > > > > around? > > > > > I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out. > > > > > > > > So she suggested that Harry Reid should be killed and you're OK with > > > > that? > > > > > > Is Harry Reid part of an oppressive government? > > > > Not unless you are going to redefine every democratically elected > > government that does something you don't like as "opressive". > > > > Governing against the will of the American people is oppressive. LOL Sorry, but no. That is not how it has ever worked. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Alan Baker on 18 Jul 2010 19:18 In article <MPG.26accaeed6a89ed798a122(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <f506f38c-9023-4737-bb37-090763015b85 > @q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > > > On Jul 17, 7:35�am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <9d71926e-68b4-4eba-a73b- > > > 01c1268af...(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 12:12�pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <24ea92f5-8dbc-456c-9b10- > > > > > 2589dc299...(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com > > > > > says... > > > > > > > > > > Why is armed insurrection bad? Isn't it the duty of those > > > > > > > governed to > > > > > > > throw off the shackles of the government when the government > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > oppressive? #1 and #2 provide you with the ability to do this and > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > it amazing that our founders codified the rights of the people to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > The government has not become oppressive or anything remotely > > > > > > resembling it. I don't think it's a bad thing that we've had > > > > > > orderly > > > > > > changes of government every four years for 234 years without a shot > > > > > > ever being fired. > > > > > > > > Let's start with the Whiskey Rebellion and the Civil War. > > > > > > > Neither of those prevented the reelection of the incumbent president. > > > > > > We were talking about armed insurrection. Both of which qualify. And, > > > the government is moving towards being oppressive. > > > > If you think the US govt is even remotely oppressive, then I say with > > all due respect that you are a spoiled brat who doesn't even know what > > oppression is. Go spend some time in N. Korea or Cambodia or Saudi > > Arabia, then come back and tell us how oppressive the US govt. is. > > Do you want the oppression in the US to get to the level of those > countries before you try and retain your rights? Rights should be > protected all of the time. Funny. Your opposition to oppression seems to depend an awful lot on the political party doing the oppressing.... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Carbon on 18 Jul 2010 19:52 On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:44:48 -0400, BAR wrote: > In article <4c430ff3$0$4988$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:26:58 -0400, BAR wrote: >>> In article <alangbaker-560194.17450817072010(a)news.shawcable.com>, >>> alangbaker(a)telus.net says... >>>>> >>>>>>> I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this >>>>>>> Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking >>>>>>> toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness >>>>>>> what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the >>>>>>> first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out. >>>>>> >>>>>> So she suggested that Harry Reid should be killed and you're OK >>>>>> with that? >>>>> >>>>> Is Harry Reid part of an oppressive government? >>>> >>>> Not unless you are going to redefine every democratically elected >>>> government that does something you don't like as "opressive". >>> >>> Governing against the will of the American people is oppressive. >> >> Could you please share with us how a democratically elected >> government could be governing against the will of the American >> people? > > Your closed mind wouldn't understand. Caught yet again.
From: Don Kirkman on 19 Jul 2010 02:10 On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:38:13 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >In article <0qg646du2la00p0rsnpcbbaum4vq9p2mad(a)4ax.com>, donsno2 >@charter.net says... >> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:26:58 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> >In article <alangbaker-560194.17450817072010(a)news.shawcable.com>, >> >alangbaker(a)telus.net says... >> >> > > > I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress >> >> > > > keeps >> >> > > > going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second >> >> > > > Amendment >> >> > > > remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country >> >> > > > around? >> >> > > > I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out. >> >> > > >> >> > > So she suggested that Harry Reid should be killed and you're OK with >> >> > > that? >> >> > Is Harry Reid part of an oppressive government? >> >> >> >> Not unless you are going to redefine every democratically elected >> >> government that does something you don't like as "opressive". >> >> >Governing against the will of the American people is oppressive. >> >> The Constitution and its enabling legislation define how the will of >> the American people is to be expressed. That determination in 2008 is >> in effect until the next occasion. >The will of the people is expressed to their representatives throught >the year, every year. New representatives are elected every two years. And those representatives are elected with the assumption that they will carry out the will of the American people who elected them. "The American people" doesn't mean all the individuals in the country, it means the "body politic." Between elections it's fair game to try to persuade politicians to listen to the wishes of various groups, but no one such group speaks for "the wishes of the American people." -- Don Kirkman donsno2(a)charter.net
From: BAR on 19 Jul 2010 07:18
In article <obq7469v2pedlcgrjuqicu27u3fkpij8hr(a)4ax.com>, donsno2 @charter.net says... > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:38:13 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > >In article <0qg646du2la00p0rsnpcbbaum4vq9p2mad(a)4ax.com>, donsno2 > >@charter.net says... > > >> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:26:58 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > >> >In article <alangbaker-560194.17450817072010(a)news.shawcable.com>, > >> >alangbaker(a)telus.net says... > >> >> > > > I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress > >> >> > > > keeps > >> >> > > > going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second > >> >> > > > Amendment > >> >> > > > remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country > >> >> > > > around? > >> >> > > > I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > So she suggested that Harry Reid should be killed and you're OK with > >> >> > > that? > > >> >> > Is Harry Reid part of an oppressive government? > >> >> > >> >> Not unless you are going to redefine every democratically elected > >> >> government that does something you don't like as "opressive". > >> > >> >Governing against the will of the American people is oppressive. > >> > >> The Constitution and its enabling legislation define how the will of > >> the American people is to be expressed. That determination in 2008 is > >> in effect until the next occasion. > > >The will of the people is expressed to their representatives throught > >the year, every year. New representatives are elected every two years. > > And those representatives are elected with the assumption that they > will carry out the will of the American people who elected them. "The > American people" doesn't mean all the individuals in the country, it > means the "body politic." Between elections it's fair game to try > to persuade politicians to listen to the wishes of various groups, but > no one such group speaks for "the wishes of the American people." Harriet Meyers. Immigration Amnesty Bill, often called Comprehensive Immagration Reform Thes are just two issues where the will of the people was expressed between election cycles that caused the government to step back and re- evaluate its course. There was no Tea Party at the time these issues arose and the will of the poeple was still heard and heeded. |