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From: John B. on 8 Jun 2010 22:11 On Jun 8, 9:53 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:12:30 -0500, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> > wrote: > > >Responding how? With what? What makes you think the EPA should be > >equipped to respond to a catastrophe of this magnitude? I know you > >take a particular glee in blaming this on Obama, but you seem unable > >to provide empirical support for it. > >****************************************************** > > >The empirical evidence is in the marshes and on the beaches. > > Exactly, every one will be another demonstration of Obama's > ineptitude. ....he said with a wild-eyed grin, saliva running from the corner of his mouth.
From: dene on 8 Jun 2010 23:04 "Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message news:2fft06pthpio2ptc5g5opaksqf72dqa5im(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:34:51 -0700, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > wrote: > > >Ok....fine. All this he admits in his book. Nonetheless, he proved himself > >in the Hanoi Hilton and his subsequent career. > > I thought this was a discussion of proven leadership. He didn't have > any opportunity to lead in Hanoi. Read the story. He led....then and now. -Greg
From: Carbon on 8 Jun 2010 23:35 On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:03:57 -0700, dene wrote: > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > news:wclark2-BD44CC.21111308062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... >> In article <877nsfFaf2U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" >> <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >>> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in >>> message >>> news:clark-17932C.15103308062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... >>>> In article <87761hFp13U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" >>>> <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok....fine. All this he admits in his book. Nonetheless, he >>>>> proved himself in the Hanoi Hilton and his subsequent career. >>>> >>>> Wrong again. He did neither. >>> >>> Really? So his time at Hanoi Hilton was just a pack of lies, Billy? >>> Who is your liberal loon war hero. John Kerry?? >> >> No, he was there. In case you forgot, not by his own choice - he was >> a POW. You try to survive or you die. Nothing really heroic in just >> trying to stay alive. My real war hero is my father. Six years in >> destroyers, mostly escorting convoys to Russia across the North Sea, >> right through the heart of the U-boat terrotiory. Never made a big >> deal out of it afterwards, either, unlike some. > > How he conducted himself as a POW was exemplary. He could have used > his name to go home. Read some history before you add more stupid > comments to your repetoire. > > As for your father, he was aboard a ship that either sank or arrived > at it's destination. Also, it was preferable to be in a destroyer vs. > a freighter. U-Boats hid from destroyers and targeted the freighters. > Is it any wonder he didn't make a big deal about it. Not to knock McCain specifically, but to me the notion of bravery is not meaningful if you have no control over what is happening to you. In those situations if something bad happens you just try to get through it. Are cancer patients brave? Hard to say. What about firemen who choose to rush into burning homes to rescue people? Yes, absolutely. What about William's father who chose to be in the line of fire? Yes again. You see the distinction?
From: dene on 9 Jun 2010 00:40 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4c0f0c06$0$15223$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:03:57 -0700, dene wrote: > > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:wclark2-BD44CC.21111308062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >> In article <877nsfFaf2U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" > >> <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >>> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in > >>> message > >>> news:clark-17932C.15103308062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >>>> In article <87761hFp13U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" > >>>> <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Ok....fine. All this he admits in his book. Nonetheless, he > >>>>> proved himself in the Hanoi Hilton and his subsequent career. > >>>> > >>>> Wrong again. He did neither. > >>> > >>> Really? So his time at Hanoi Hilton was just a pack of lies, Billy? > >>> Who is your liberal loon war hero. John Kerry?? > >> > >> No, he was there. In case you forgot, not by his own choice - he was > >> a POW. You try to survive or you die. Nothing really heroic in just > >> trying to stay alive. My real war hero is my father. Six years in > >> destroyers, mostly escorting convoys to Russia across the North Sea, > >> right through the heart of the U-boat terrotiory. Never made a big > >> deal out of it afterwards, either, unlike some. > > > > How he conducted himself as a POW was exemplary. He could have used > > his name to go home. Read some history before you add more stupid > > comments to your repetoire. > > > > As for your father, he was aboard a ship that either sank or arrived > > at it's destination. Also, it was preferable to be in a destroyer vs. > > a freighter. U-Boats hid from destroyers and targeted the freighters. > > Is it any wonder he didn't make a big deal about it. > > Not to knock McCain specifically, but to me the notion of bravery is not > meaningful if you have no control over what is happening to you. In > those situations if something bad happens you just try to get through > it. He had choices on how he conducted himself in torture and intense interrogation. There were some who caved and received better treatment. McCain wasn't one of them. He also had the choice to go home early. Also, he had the choice of serving in the military. McCain volunteered....he was not drafted. > Are cancer patients brave? Hard to say. What about firemen who choose to > rush into burning homes to rescue people? Yes, absolutely. What about > William's father who chose to be in the line of fire? Yes again. > > You see the distinction? Bravery manifests itself in many ways. Regardless, I'd rather be on a destroyer, the hunter, than be in a N.V. POW camp. Billy is ignorant of the facts, diverting attn. with an apples vs. oranges comparison between his father and McCain. -Greg
From: Don Kirkman on 9 Jun 2010 02:17
On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:58:04 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: >On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:27:39 -0700 (PDT), "John B." ><johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Democrats, on >>the other hand, are blamed in perpetuity (see: FDR and LBJ). >FDR is responsible for the unfunded entitlement known as Social >Security and LBJ is responsible for Medicare. >Both were big mistakes as we are about to see in the next few years. How did this reply to John B. get threaded as a response to my message? Nothing here that I wrote. -- Don Kirkman donsno2(a)charter.net |