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From: William Clark on 9 Jun 2010 08:34 In article <ksst06939u1t3fffsoem480hdn8jfphv8l(a)4ax.com>, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:22:42 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> By responding faster and better than they did. =A0Every soiled beach and > >> wet land is another Obama failure. =A0And there are going to be a lot of > >> them. > > > >Responding how? With what? What makes you think the EPA should be > >equipped to respond to a catastrophe of this magnitude? I know you > >take a particular glee in blaming this on Obama, but you seem unable > >to provide empirical support for it. > > FIMA had an impossible job with Katrina and everyone blamed Bush. Now > it's Obama's turn. Unfortunately for Obama, this oil spill will go on > and on for months. For God's sake, Jack, it's FEMA, not FIMA. And the rest of your post is BS, too. PhD?
From: William Clark on 9 Jun 2010 08:37 In article <hum9h0$4ec$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:56ad3d9c-bbe2-4147-a3e8-4c8ff3f5af0c(a)a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 8, 2:12 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote: > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:fcbe16fb-fef6-4323-9e00-3d1ae75dce77(a)c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > > On Jun 8, 12:44 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 09:00:36 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >On Jun 8, 10:30=A0am, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:00:51 -0700 (PDT), "John B." > > > > > >> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> >I have asked and asked and asked again what the government should > > > >> >have > > > >> >done that it hasn't done. All I've gotten so far is that they took a > > > >> >long time to deliver some sand bags. > > > > > >> They should have stopped the oil from reaching the beaches and > > > >> wetland > > > >> areas so no birds or sea life would have died. > > > > > >How? > > > > > By responding faster and better than they did. Every soiled beach and > > > wet land is another Obama failure. And there are going to be a lot of > > > them. > > > > Responding how? With what? What makes you think the EPA should be > > equipped to respond to a catastrophe of this magnitude? I know you > > take a particular glee in blaming this on Obama, but you seem unable > > to provide empirical support for it. > > ****************************************************** > > > > The empirical evidence is in the marshes and on the beaches. > > And your view is that the EPA should have been able to keep millions > of barrels of oil from reaching shore? You've got to be kidding. > ******************************************************** > > My view is that the President sat on his hands for a month, before approving > the sand berms last week. Governor Jindal's requests were ignored as Obama > did nothing. So, genius, tell us all how sand berms help with the underwater catastrophe that threatens to wipe out the entire eco-system and food chain on the Gulf floor, and render it completely dead and sterile? Come on, you have been repeatedly asked for a solution, and all you can come up with is silly, and incorrect, finger pointing
From: William Clark on 9 Jun 2010 08:43 In article <4c0f0c06$0$15223$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:03:57 -0700, dene wrote: > > "William Clark" <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:wclark2-BD44CC.21111308062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >> In article <877nsfFaf2U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" > >> <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >>> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in > >>> message > >>> news:clark-17932C.15103308062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >>>> In article <87761hFp13U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" > >>>> <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Ok....fine. All this he admits in his book. Nonetheless, he > >>>>> proved himself in the Hanoi Hilton and his subsequent career. > >>>> > >>>> Wrong again. He did neither. > >>> > >>> Really? So his time at Hanoi Hilton was just a pack of lies, Billy? > >>> Who is your liberal loon war hero. John Kerry?? > >> > >> No, he was there. In case you forgot, not by his own choice - he was > >> a POW. You try to survive or you die. Nothing really heroic in just > >> trying to stay alive. My real war hero is my father. Six years in > >> destroyers, mostly escorting convoys to Russia across the North Sea, > >> right through the heart of the U-boat terrotiory. Never made a big > >> deal out of it afterwards, either, unlike some. > > > > How he conducted himself as a POW was exemplary. He could have used > > his name to go home. Read some history before you add more stupid > > comments to your repetoire. > > > > As for your father, he was aboard a ship that either sank or arrived > > at it's destination. Also, it was preferable to be in a destroyer vs. > > a freighter. U-Boats hid from destroyers and targeted the freighters. > > Is it any wonder he didn't make a big deal about it. > > Not to knock McCain specifically, but to me the notion of bravery is not > meaningful if you have no control over what is happening to you. In > those situations if something bad happens you just try to get through > it. > > Are cancer patients brave? Hard to say. What about firemen who choose to > rush into burning homes to rescue people? Yes, absolutely. What about > William's father who chose to be in the line of fire? Yes again. > > You see the distinction? No, he clearly does not.
From: John B. on 9 Jun 2010 09:26 On Jun 8, 11:35 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:03:57 -0700, dene wrote: > > "William Clark" <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote in message > >news:wclark2-BD44CC.21111308062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >> In article <877nsfFaf...(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" > >> <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > >>> "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in > >>> message > >>>news:clark-17932C.15103308062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > >>>> In article <87761hFp1...(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" > >>>> <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > >>>>> Ok....fine. All this he admits in his book. Nonetheless, he > >>>>> proved himself in the Hanoi Hilton and his subsequent career. > > >>>> Wrong again. He did neither. > > >>> Really? So his time at Hanoi Hilton was just a pack of lies, Billy? > >>> Who is your liberal loon war hero. John Kerry?? > > >> No, he was there. In case you forgot, not by his own choice - he was > >> a POW. You try to survive or you die. Nothing really heroic in just > >> trying to stay alive. My real war hero is my father. Six years in > >> destroyers, mostly escorting convoys to Russia across the North Sea, > >> right through the heart of the U-boat terrotiory. Never made a big > >> deal out of it afterwards, either, unlike some. > > > How he conducted himself as a POW was exemplary. He could have used > > his name to go home. Read some history before you add more stupid > > comments to your repetoire. > > > As for your father, he was aboard a ship that either sank or arrived > > at it's destination. Also, it was preferable to be in a destroyer vs.. > > a freighter. U-Boats hid from destroyers and targeted the freighters. > > Is it any wonder he didn't make a big deal about it. > > Not to knock McCain specifically, but to me the notion of bravery is not > meaningful if you have no control over what is happening to you. In > those situations if something bad happens you just try to get through > it. > > Are cancer patients brave? Hard to say. What about firemen who choose to > rush into burning homes to rescue people? Yes, absolutely. What about > William's father who chose to be in the line of fire? Yes again. > > You see the distinction? POWs in Vietnam were tortured and told the torture would stop if they made written or filmed statements denouncing the United States. I think it takes bravery not to give in to that.
From: Jack Hollis on 9 Jun 2010 09:37
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:09:13 -0700 (PDT), "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >It's FEMA, not FIMA, and they completely fucked up in NO. And Bush did >absolutely nothing until people started screaming at him. > >The government has no equivalent to FEMA for responding to underwater >oil leaks. > >Why do you flatly refuse to be objective? I'm being objective. Bush took a lot of heat for Katrina and Obama's taking a lot of heat for the oil spill. |