From: John B. on
On Jun 9, 2:06 pm, "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:65734ed6-416b-4a73-aeba-7e8af72b4a05(a)q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 9, 9:37 am, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:09:13 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>
> > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >It's FEMA, not FIMA, and they completely fucked up in NO. And Bush did
> > >absolutely nothing until people started screaming at him.
>
> > >The government has no equivalent to FEMA for responding to underwater
> > >oil leaks.
>
> > >Why do you flatly refuse to be objective?
>
> > I'm being objective. Bush took a lot of heat for Katrina and Obama's
> > taking a lot of heat for the oil spill.
>
> No you're not. Bush deserved it and Obama doesn't.
> *******************************************************
>
> That is objective?

It most certainly is. You refuse to see that the two situations are
totally different.
From: Moderate on

"Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message
news:q2qv06laac2tofrd766m75o6mh857d930t(a)4ax.com...
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:36:05 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
> <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm being objective. =A0Bush took a lot of heat for Katrina and Obama's
>>> taking a lot of heat for the oil spill. =A0
>>
>>No you're not. Bush deserved it and Obama doesn't.
>
> No, you've got it backwards. Obama deserves it and Bush didn't.

Let's be objective. Bush was expected to prevent acts of God. Obama is not
accountable for companies the government inspects, approves and regulates.


From: John B. on
On Jun 9, 3:16 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:36:05 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>
> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm being objective. =A0Bush took a lot of heat for Katrina and Obama's
> >> taking a lot of heat for the oil spill. =A0
>
> >No you're not. Bush deserved it and Obama doesn't.
>
> No, you've got it backwards.  Obama deserves it and Bush didn't.

The two situations are completely different, yet you talk as though
they were identical. Any objective reading of the facts from Katrina
and from the oil leak can only lead to the conclusion that there were
lots of things the Bush administration could do after Katrina and
either didn't do them or did them badly, whereas there is very little
the Obama admin. can do in the Gulf.
From: William Clark on
In article <huono5$7v9$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
"Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:

> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark-2731C8.14083209062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <huo955$fts$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
> > "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:clark-C95BA3.08372209062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >> > In article <hum9h0$4ec$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
> >> > "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:56ad3d9c-bbe2-4147-a3e8-4c8ff3f5af0c(a)a30g2000yqn.googlegroups.com..
> >> >> .
> >> >>
> >> >> And your view is that the EPA should have been able to keep millions
> >> >> of barrels of oil from reaching shore? You've got to be kidding.
> >> >> ********************************************************
> >> >>
> >> >> My view is that the President sat on his hands for a month, before
> >> >> approving
> >> >> the sand berms last week. Governor Jindal's requests were ignored as
> >> >> Obama
> >> >> did nothing.
> >> >
> >> > So, genius, tell us all how sand berms help with the underwater
> >> > catastrophe that threatens to wipe out the entire eco-system and food
> >> > chain on the Gulf floor, and render it completely dead and sterile?
> >> > Come
> >> > on, you have been repeatedly asked for a solution, and all you can come
> >> > up with is silly, and incorrect, finger pointing
> >> ***********************************************************
> >>
> >> Oil is lighter than water. It is unclear how much oil if any is on the
> >> Gulf
> >> floor.
> >
> > a) that depends on the particular distillate, and b) it isn't after it
> > has been sprayed wit dispersant, which makes it sink. Duh.
> >>
> >> The sand berms would protect the sensitive marsh areas. Too little, too
> >> late from Obama.
> >
> > OK, so as per usual you evade/miss the point. Cameras and other sensing
> > systems have already detected massive underwater oil plumes that will do
> > far more serious and long term damage than even the oil coming on shore
> > and into the marshes. Here, go educate yourself:
> >
> > http://tiny.cc/p6fv5
>
> According to the article the lower section of the floating plumes contain
> very low concentration of oil making it less likely for the oil to sweep the
> gulf floor.
>
> The article does not address whether this is more serious than oil in the
> marshes.
>
> We know that Obama waited a month to approve assistance to the marsh areas.


So a "six-mile wide, 22 mile long long oil plume" is nothing, is it? And
that is just one of the plumes that have been spotted. Not to mention
the fact that the well is still pouring out oil. And you still want to
bet on it not contaminating the ocean floor? OK, dream on.
From: Moderate on

"William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
news:clark-C2A5C6.16024809062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <huono5$7v9$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
> "Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
>
>> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
>> news:clark-2731C8.14083209062010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>> >
>> > OK, so as per usual you evade/miss the point. Cameras and other sensing
>> > systems have already detected massive underwater oil plumes that will
>> > do
>> > far more serious and long term damage than even the oil coming on shore
>> > and into the marshes. Here, go educate yourself:
>> >
>> > http://tiny.cc/p6fv5
>>
>> According to the article the lower section of the floating plumes contain
>> very low concentration of oil making it less likely for the oil to sweep
>> the
>> gulf floor.
>>
>> The article does not address whether this is more serious than oil in the
>> marshes.
>>
>> We know that Obama waited a month to approve assistance to the marsh
>> areas.
>
>
> So a "six-mile wide, 22 mile long long oil plume" is nothing, is it? And
> that is just one of the plumes that have been spotted. Not to mention
> the fact that the well is still pouring out oil. And you still want to
> bet on it not contaminating the ocean floor? OK, dream on.

I simply posted information from your source. If you disagree, read your
source.


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