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From: Howard Brazee on 6 Jun 2010 20:54 On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:24:04 -0500, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >>The blame for this mess will be shared by BP and Obama. When you're >>in charge, there's no way to avoid blame. It's not fair, but that's >>the way it is. > >Not with any intelligent people. Intelligence is over-rated in politics. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: bknight on 6 Jun 2010 21:04 On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:54:11 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:24:04 -0500, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >>>The blame for this mess will be shared by BP and Obama. When you're >>>in charge, there's no way to avoid blame. It's not fair, but that's >>>the way it is. >> >>Not with any intelligent people. > >Intelligence is over-rated in politics. Who said anything about politics? I mean the intelligent people of the populace. BK
From: Carbon on 6 Jun 2010 21:07 On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:54:11 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote: > On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:24:04 -0500, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >> >>> The blame for this mess will be shared by BP and Obama. When you're in >>> charge, there's no way to avoid blame. It's not fair, but that's the >>> way it is. >> >> Not with any intelligent people. > > Intelligence is over-rated in politics. I sure hope not.
From: Moderate on 7 Jun 2010 06:55 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 6, 3:53 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 14:44:29 -0500, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > >>In any case, Bush got the blame even though, as you say, he had > > >>nothing to do with it. Unfortunately for Obama, he will also get > > > > the > > >>blame for the failures of the Gulf oil leak. And it looks like > > > > this > > >>is going to go on for a long time. > > > > >The difference is that with Katrina the government was accountable > > > for > > >the cleanup. > > > > >BK > > > > But Katrina was an act of God. The oil spill was caused by BP and > > they're Obama's biggest campaign contributor. > > > > "$6.2 milliion > > The Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan campaign research > > organization, shows BP has given $6.212 million to nearly 1,OOO > > candidates for federal office over the past 20 years. > > > > In a bit of political irony, the company, whose oil spill has made > > President Obama s life miserable over the past month, has given more > > to the president than anyone else. > > > > The Center for Responsive Politics shows Obama having received > > $77,051 > > from BP, with most of it, $71,000 coming during his run for the > > White > > House" > > > > http://www.capitolnewsconnection.org/?q=node/14779 > > > > Do you think that Obama's plan to expand off shore driulling was > > connected in any way to these contributions? > > > > In any case, it looks real bad for Obama right now to have a major > > oil > > spill disaster at an offshore drilling site right after he proposed > > to > > expand off shore drilling. > > I think you're incredibly naive to think that a $71,000 contribution > to a campaign that cost hundreds of millions would have any effect at > all. > You are incredibly naive to think it would not.
From: Moderate on 7 Jun 2010 06:55
"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 6, 3:05 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:34:22 -0500, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > >Even though Katrina happened during the Bush administration he's > > > not > > >the blame , even though the buck stops there. FEMA was just not > > >ready, and then mismanaged. > > > > >In neither case was the government, nor the President, the > > > underlying > > >cause of the incident. > > > > FIMA had responded quite well to every previous hurricane. The > > problem in NO was they had to deal with totally incompetent state > > and > > local officials. > > > > In any case, Bush got the blame even though, as you say, he had > > nothing to do with it. Unfortunately for Obama, he will also get > > the > > blame for the failures of the Gulf oil leak. And it looks like this > > is going to go on for a long time. > > FEMA had responded well to previous hurricanes because it was staffed > with people with experience and expertise in emergency management, > e.g. Jamie Lee Whitt. Bush turned it into a dumping ground for > political pals and people who had worked on his campaign. "Brownie" > had zero - repeat: zero - background in emergency services. Even if > they had known what they were doing, it's kind of ridiculous to > suggest that the incompetence of local officials kept them from being > able to do their job. > Check your facts. Katrina was the largest and fastest response in history. |