From: Don Kirkman on
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:35:37 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

>In article <d6ef16hp1g0aavb00d0e537pf8eqhu2ik2(a)4ax.com>, donsno2
>@charter.net says...
>>
>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:42:39 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

>> >The oil itself floats. The oil combined with other materials would have
>> >to overcome buoyancy to drop to the ocean floor. Even steel super-
>> >tankers with millions of gallons oil in them float.

>> You don't even understand the meaning of what you wrote. A lot of the
>> oil *has already* been combined with other materials (dispersants)
>> precisely to make it sink instead of floating and drifting .

>Sure I do. I am married to a chemist/geologist. The US federal
>government doesn't know what it wants to do. Use dispersants now, don't
>use dispersants. Do this, do that, try this other thing. You have 48
>hours to make progress.

Didn't your help-mate point out to you that the oil *would have to be
.. . . " implies that it hasn't yet happened?

Or that it isn't the oil that makes the tankers float?

>> Whether oil in a container floats depends on the displacement of water
>> by the container, not by any quality of the oil itself. IOW, it
>> doesn't matter if a ship is filled with oil or with iron ore, it will
>> only float if it displaces the right amount of water.

>True. But, oil alone floats.

Not, as you pointed out, when it's been combined with some other types
of materials.
--
Don Kirkman
donsno2(a)charter.net
From: BAR on
In article <4c18353a$0$15137$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:27:27 -0400, BAR wrote:
>
> > I am making a point of supporting my local BP gas station. There are
> > too many people who will be adversely affected if BP goes TU.
>
> Most of BP's assets will be transferred elsewhere long before anything
> like that happens. The taxpayers will be left holding the bag.

The losers are the pension funds that are invested in BP. The losers are
the guys getting retirement pay form BP. The losers are the owner
operators of the BP franchise gas stations.

Every time you boycott a business it doesn't hurt the guys at the top of
the business as much as it hurts the guys at the bottom of the company.

And, businesses do not pay taxes, they never have and never will. Any
taxes are treated as expenses and passed onto the businesses consumers.

From: William Clark on
In article <5p2g16tpakq00t5uqed3lq8dacrr8prmrj(a)4ax.com>,
Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:20:58 -0400, William Clark
> <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >You would only remove "most" of the oil with a massive supertanker
> >presence, taking oil and water back to onshore separators. Why didn't BP
> >come up with this idea from the word go, and get started on it? Answer:
> >their supertankers were too busy shipping oil around the world making
> >profits, to be taken out of service just to save the Gulf.
>
> They also seemed to be attracted to the idea of using chemicals to
> break the oil up into small pieces that weren't as visible.

But which are probably every bit as toxic to marine and bird life as the
oil. Nice one, BP.
From: William Clark on
In article <MPG.2681e6638ca9b09698a071(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

> In article <d6ef16hp1g0aavb00d0e537pf8eqhu2ik2(a)4ax.com>, donsno2
> @charter.net says...
> >
> > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:42:39 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <v8ld16l60nnv6in25j13l0giapjfup0m82(a)4ax.com>,
> > >bknight(a)conramp.net says...
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:24:26 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> >So you would prefer to have 100% of the oil in the "ocean" rather than
> > >> >having only 50% of the oil in the "ocean?"
> >
> > >> They don't even know if it would get to that percentage....plus there
> > >> are indications that oil on the ocean floor is more problematic than
> > >> surface oil.
> >
> > >The oil itself floats. The oil combined with other materials would have
> > >to overcome buoyancy to drop to the ocean floor. Even steel super-
> > >tankers with millions of gallons oil in them float.
> >
> > You don't even understand the meaning of what you wrote. A lot of the
> > oil *has already* been combined with other materials (dispersants)
> > precisely to make it sink instead of floating and drifting .
>
> Sure I do. I am married to a chemist/geologist. The US federal
> government doesn't know what it wants to do. Use dispersants now, don't
> use dispersants. Do this, do that, try this other thing. You have 48
> hours to make progress.
>
> Obama should have accepted the offer on day 3 from the Dutch to use
> their skimmers.
>
> > Whether oil in a container floats depends on the displacement of water
> > by the container, not by any quality of the oil itself. IOW, it
> > doesn't matter if a ship is filled with oil or with iron ore, it will
> > only float if it displaces the right amount of water.
>
> True. But, oil alone floats.

Not necessarily. Go learn about densities and coefficients of expansion,
plus the properties of colloids and suspension. I dare you.
From: William Clark on
In article <MPG.2681e475bea25f4298a070(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

> In article <8uef16l612bl81spnjaisqbrh96b4cd7nh(a)4ax.com>,
> bknight(a)conramp.net says...
> >
> > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:42:54 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Howard Brazee" <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote in message
> > >news:flkd16da0mbdmm29d4qhbggcecgm77v7c0(a)4ax.com...
> > >> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:42:19 -0500, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew(a)aol.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Obama is careful not to appear angry - he knows what the reaction
> > >>>>>> would be if he were an angry black man.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>Riiiight. More leftwing conspiracy theories
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Conspiracy? What conspiracy theories do you see in my statement
> > >>>> above?
> > >>>>
> > >>>All of it.
> > >>
> > >> Huh? The conspiracy theories are "All of it"? I've never heard of
> > >> those conspiracy theories. Who was theorized to be conspiring? What
> > >> was the supposed goal of the conspiracy?
> > >>
> > >So tell us Howard, what would the reaction be if Obama were to come across
> > >as an "angry black man"?
> > >
> > Ask British Petroleum. :-) He's damned sure pissed at them, as we
> > all are.
>
> I am making a point of supporting my local BP gas station. There are too
> many people who will be adversely affected if BP goes TU.

Good, at least should shouldn't have to wait in long lines there.
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