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From: Jack Hollis on 6 Jun 2010 15:05 On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:34:22 -0500, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >Even though Katrina happened during the Bush administration he's not >the blame , even though the buck stops there. FEMA was just not >ready, and then mismanaged. > >In neither case was the government, nor the President, the underlying >cause of the incident. FIMA had responded quite well to every previous hurricane. The problem in NO was they had to deal with totally incompetent state and local officials. In any case, Bush got the blame even though, as you say, he had nothing to do with it. Unfortunately for Obama, he will also get the blame for the failures of the Gulf oil leak. And it looks like this is going to go on for a long time.
From: bknight on 6 Jun 2010 15:44 On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 15:05:56 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote: >On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:34:22 -0500, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >>Even though Katrina happened during the Bush administration he's not >>the blame , even though the buck stops there. FEMA was just not >>ready, and then mismanaged. >> >>In neither case was the government, nor the President, the underlying >>cause of the incident. > >FIMA had responded quite well to every previous hurricane. The >problem in NO was they had to deal with totally incompetent state and >local officials. > >In any case, Bush got the blame even though, as you say, he had >nothing to do with it. Unfortunately for Obama, he will also get the >blame for the failures of the Gulf oil leak. And it looks like this >is going to go on for a long time. The difference is that with Katrina the government was accountable for the cleanup. BK
From: Jack Hollis on 6 Jun 2010 15:53 On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 14:44:29 -0500, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >>In any case, Bush got the blame even though, as you say, he had >>nothing to do with it. Unfortunately for Obama, he will also get the >>blame for the failures of the Gulf oil leak. And it looks like this >>is going to go on for a long time. > >The difference is that with Katrina the government was accountable for >the cleanup. > >BK But Katrina was an act of God. The oil spill was caused by BP and they're Obama's biggest campaign contributor. "$6.2 milliion The Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan campaign research organization, shows BP has given $6.212 million to nearly 1,OOO candidates for federal office over the past 20 years. In a bit of political irony, the company, whose oil spill has made President Obama�s life miserable over the past month, has given more to the president than anyone else. The Center for Responsive Politics shows Obama having received $77,051 from BP, with most of it, $71,000 coming during his run for the White House" http://www.capitolnewsconnection.org/?q=node/14779 Do you think that Obama's plan to expand off shore driulling was connected in any way to these contributions? In any case, it looks real bad for Obama right now to have a major oil spill disaster at an offshore drilling site right after he proposed to expand off shore drilling.
From: John B. on 6 Jun 2010 16:11 On Jun 6, 3:05 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:34:22 -0500, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > >Even though Katrina happened during the Bush administration he's not > >the blame , even though the buck stops there. FEMA was just not > >ready, and then mismanaged. > > >In neither case was the government, nor the President, the underlying > >cause of the incident. > > FIMA had responded quite well to every previous hurricane. The > problem in NO was they had to deal with totally incompetent state and > local officials. > > In any case, Bush got the blame even though, as you say, he had > nothing to do with it. Unfortunately for Obama, he will also get the > blame for the failures of the Gulf oil leak. And it looks like this > is going to go on for a long time. FEMA had responded well to previous hurricanes because it was staffed with people with experience and expertise in emergency management, e.g. Jamie Lee Whitt. Bush turned it into a dumping ground for political pals and people who had worked on his campaign. "Brownie" had zero - repeat: zero - background in emergency services. Even if they had known what they were doing, it's kind of ridiculous to suggest that the incompetence of local officials kept them from being able to do their job.
From: John B. on 6 Jun 2010 16:14
On Jun 6, 3:53 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 14:44:29 -0500, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > >>In any case, Bush got the blame even though, as you say, he had > >>nothing to do with it. Unfortunately for Obama, he will also get the > >>blame for the failures of the Gulf oil leak. And it looks like this > >>is going to go on for a long time. > > >The difference is that with Katrina the government was accountable for > >the cleanup. > > >BK > > But Katrina was an act of God. The oil spill was caused by BP and > they're Obama's biggest campaign contributor. > > "$6.2 milliion > The Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan campaign research > organization, shows BP has given $6.212 million to nearly 1,OOO > candidates for federal office over the past 20 years. > > In a bit of political irony, the company, whose oil spill has made > President Obama s life miserable over the past month, has given more > to the president than anyone else. > > The Center for Responsive Politics shows Obama having received $77,051 > from BP, with most of it, $71,000 coming during his run for the White > House" > > http://www.capitolnewsconnection.org/?q=node/14779 > > Do you think that Obama's plan to expand off shore driulling was > connected in any way to these contributions? > > In any case, it looks real bad for Obama right now to have a major oil > spill disaster at an offshore drilling site right after he proposed to > expand off shore drilling. I think you're incredibly naive to think that a $71,000 contribution to a campaign that cost hundreds of millions would have any effect at all. |