From: Frank Ketchum on 7 Feb 2010 20:06
"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
On Feb 7, 12:56 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:33:33 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
> > On 07 Feb 2010 16:21:40 GMT, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >>I came across a study recently that argued liberals tend to be more
> >>educated and higher functioning than social conservatives. It's possible
> >>that a civics literacy test would hurt the Republicans more than the
> > It all depends on who writes the tests.
> Whoever wrote them, they wouldn't be able to get away with injecting
> obvious bias into them.
What would happen is that most people would refuse to take the test.
Some would take it and fail. Voter turnout would drop to about 10% of
eligible voters. The United States would no longer be a democracy. It
would be a meritocracy. But it's a moot point. Conditioning voting on
passage of a test would violate the Constitution and the Voting Rights
- - -
The United States is not a democracy. It is a representative republic.
From: bknight on 7 Feb 2010 20:15
On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 23:30:28 GMT, assimilate(a)borg.org wrote:
>On 7-Feb-2010, William Clark <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>> Exhibit one: Sarah Palin
>> Exhibit 2: George W. Bush . .
>> need we go on?
>I'll see your hand and raise you an Obama and Jimmah Carter!
You lose. As bad as he was, Carter's IQ makes Palin look like a
Obama vs. Bush...there's no comparison. George Bush is an empty suit
From: Carbon on 7 Feb 2010 20:39
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:33:52 +0000, assimilate wrote:
> On 7-Feb-2010, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote:
>> At one time, the Republican party was the one standing for equal
>> rights. But now those Dixiecrats have moved to the Republican
>> party and things are different.
> No Howard, the Dixiecrats have long passed, except one Robert C Byrd
> perhaps. The "southern strategy" was a Nixon plan & that was almost
> half a century ago. Please give it a rest.
The fact remains that Bert's original charge--Democrats worked the
hardest to disenfranchise Blacks--is completely dubious when the racists
migrated en masse to the Republican party nearly half a century ago.
From: Carbon on 7 Feb 2010 20:44
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:24:25 +0000, assimilate wrote:
> well asking libertarians for their take on mainstream conservative
> thought seems rather fruitless. We are not conservatives.
Fellow travelers with more education. You have about as much chance of
winning elections as the American Communist Party.
From: Carbon on 7 Feb 2010 20:58
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:28:41 +0000, assimilate wrote:
> On 7-Feb-2010, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> I came across a study recently that argued liberals tend to be more
>>>> educated and higher functioning than social conservatives. It's
>>>> possible that a civics literacy test would hurt the Republicans
>>>> more than the Democrats.
>>> It all depends on who writes the tests.
>> Whoever wrote them, they wouldn't be able to get away with injecting
>> obvious bias into them.
> you haven't been to a campus lately have you? One of the last classes
> I ever took was innocuously titled "Literary Theory." It was a
> graduate seminar organized around variations on Marxist thought
> (though not explicitly labeled as such).
I did a seminar course in literary theory. It was actually pretty
interesting: Kant, Goethe, and yes, Marx, Saussure, Benjamin, Sarte,
Frye, Heidegger, Derrida, Barthes, Foucault, Bloom, Achebe, Fish... I
believe I wrote my termpapers on Benjamin, Heidegger and Foucault.
Interesting stuff. Nearly all my classmates wore black, which I thought
strange. It was the first time in my life that I ran into people who
self-identified as "intellectual". They all seemed pretty helpless to
That aside, to me there is nothing wrong with ideas per se, even ideas
which are unpopular. There is nothing wrong with abstraction or
intelligence, or with learning to write clearly. And I believe it's
wrong to dismiss things out of hand without understanding what they are.