From: John B. on
On Feb 6, 10:27 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b5b4fc62-1eb4-4744-9d69-ad9972e5ff31(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 6, 8:35 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:b2a74ab3-c5cb-45d4-ab83-9d44fe40edc4(a)o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 6, 8:07 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
>
> > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:ae8a32c0-f97f-4e25-ad48-467fb695fa32(a)o3g2000vbo.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > > In a speech to the Tea Party convention, Tancredo said Obama was a
> > > > "committed socialist ideologue," who was elected by people who can't
> > > > read or write. He said a civics literacy test should be a prerequisite
> > > > for voting. I'm just wondering what the Republicans here think about
> > > > this. Do you defend him?
>
> > > I think Obama is a socialist in the sense that he wants to enact
> > > socialist
> > > policies.
>
> > > I do not think that the people who elected him "can't read or write".
> > > That
> > > is stupid.
>
> > > A civics literacy test would be a fantastic prerequisite. It will never
> > > happen. Another good idea would be to just accept the fact that
> > > elections
> > > are nothing more than spoils systems nowadays and weight votes based on
> > > how
> > > much income tax an individual pays. Bring in your previous year's tax
> > > returns and your vote is thusly weighted. It will also never happen.
>
> > > Of course not being a Republican my opinion is not what you are looking
> > > for.
>
> > So, votes cast by people who make a lot of money should count for more
> > than those cast by people who don't?
>
> > - - -
>
> > No, I suggested weight be given to those who pay the most in taxes since
> > they are financing government. Let he who pays for it decide how to use
> > it.
> > What is wrong with that?
>
> What do you mean by "weight"?
>
> - - -
>
> Well for example let's say that every person automatically gets one vote.
> Then in addition say that for every thousand dollars a person pays in income
> taxes they get another vote.  Doing something like this would weight votes
> on what government should do based on who is paying for it.  If you pay $12k
> dollars in income taxes you get two votes.

So, if a I win a $100,000 Pick-6 at the racetrack, I can cast two or
three votes instead of one? Or, conversely, if I take a spill while
skiing in the Swiss Alps and break my arm, and am thus unable to
return to my high-paying job as a neurosurgeon, the number of votes I
can cast is reduced?

But we're getting off the track. I wanted to know what Republicans
thought of what the Republican Tom Tancredo said. And what I've gotten
so far is three conservatives telling me they're not Republicans. So,
I expanded my cohort to include conservatives and libertarians. Still
nothing. So, I'll expand it even further to include anybody who voted
for John McCain in 2008.
From: William Clark on
In article <tnqbn.35794$Fm7.7270(a)newsfe16.iad>,
"Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:

> "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote in message
> news:1mqbn.35793$Fm7.7043(a)newsfe16.iad...
> >
> > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:b5b4fc62-1eb4-4744-9d69-ad9972e5ff31(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 6, 8:35 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
> >> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:b2a74ab3-c5cb-45d4-ab83-9d44fe40edc4(a)o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Feb 6, 8:07 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> >news:ae8a32c0-f97f-4e25-ad48-467fb695fa32(a)o3g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> > > In a speech to the Tea Party convention, Tancredo said Obama was a
> >> > > "committed socialist ideologue," who was elected by people who can't
> >> > > read or write. He said a civics literacy test should be a
> >> > > prerequisite
> >> > > for voting. I'm just wondering what the Republicans here think about
> >> > > this. Do you defend him?
> >>
> >> > I think Obama is a socialist in the sense that he wants to enact
> >> > socialist
> >> > policies.
> >>
> >> > I do not think that the people who elected him "can't read or write".
> >> > That
> >> > is stupid.
> >>
> >> > A civics literacy test would be a fantastic prerequisite. It will never
> >> > happen. Another good idea would be to just accept the fact that
> >> > elections
> >> > are nothing more than spoils systems nowadays and weight votes based on
> >> > how
> >> > much income tax an individual pays. Bring in your previous year's tax
> >> > returns and your vote is thusly weighted. It will also never happen.
> >>
> >> > Of course not being a Republican my opinion is not what you are looking
> >> > for.
> >>
> >> So, votes cast by people who make a lot of money should count for more
> >> than those cast by people who don't?
> >>
> >> - - -
> >>
> >> No, I suggested weight be given to those who pay the most in taxes since
> >> they are financing government. Let he who pays for it decide how to use
> >> it.
> >> What is wrong with that?
> >
> > What do you mean by "weight"?
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > Well for example let's say that every person automatically gets one vote.
> > Then in addition say that for every thousand dollars a person pays in
> > income taxes they get another vote. Doing something like this would
> > weight votes on what government should do based on who is paying for it.
> > If you pay $12k dollars in income taxes you get two votes.
>
> Sorry, obviously using my example I meant to say if you pay $1200 in income
> taxes you get two votes.

Are you seriously suggesting that buying votes is OK?
From: Alan Baker on
In article
<clark-486C64.22485806022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
William Clark <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:

> In article <tnqbn.35794$Fm7.7270(a)newsfe16.iad>,
> "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
>
> > "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote in message
> > news:1mqbn.35793$Fm7.7043(a)newsfe16.iad...
> > >
> > > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b5b4fc62-1eb4-4744-9d69-ad9972e5ff31(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Feb 6, 8:35 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
> > >> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>
> > >> news:b2a74ab3-c5cb-45d4-ab83-9d44fe40edc4(a)o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > >> On Feb 6, 8:07 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>
> > >> >news:ae8a32c0-f97f-4e25-ad48-467fb695fa32(a)o3g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
> > >>
> > >> > > In a speech to the Tea Party convention, Tancredo said Obama was a
> > >> > > "committed socialist ideologue," who was elected by people who can't
> > >> > > read or write. He said a civics literacy test should be a
> > >> > > prerequisite
> > >> > > for voting. I'm just wondering what the Republicans here think about
> > >> > > this. Do you defend him?
> > >>
> > >> > I think Obama is a socialist in the sense that he wants to enact
> > >> > socialist
> > >> > policies.
> > >>
> > >> > I do not think that the people who elected him "can't read or write".
> > >> > That
> > >> > is stupid.
> > >>
> > >> > A civics literacy test would be a fantastic prerequisite. It will never
> > >> > happen. Another good idea would be to just accept the fact that
> > >> > elections
> > >> > are nothing more than spoils systems nowadays and weight votes based on
> > >> > how
> > >> > much income tax an individual pays. Bring in your previous year's tax
> > >> > returns and your vote is thusly weighted. It will also never happen.
> > >>
> > >> > Of course not being a Republican my opinion is not what you are looking
> > >> > for.
> > >>
> > >> So, votes cast by people who make a lot of money should count for more
> > >> than those cast by people who don't?
> > >>
> > >> - - -
> > >>
> > >> No, I suggested weight be given to those who pay the most in taxes since
> > >> they are financing government. Let he who pays for it decide how to use
> > >> it.
> > >> What is wrong with that?
> > >
> > > What do you mean by "weight"?
> > >
> > > - - -
> > >
> > > Well for example let's say that every person automatically gets one vote.
> > > Then in addition say that for every thousand dollars a person pays in
> > > income taxes they get another vote. Doing something like this would
> > > weight votes on what government should do based on who is paying for it.
> > > If you pay $12k dollars in income taxes you get two votes.
> >
> > Sorry, obviously using my example I meant to say if you pay $1200 in income
> > taxes you get two votes.
>
> Are you seriously suggesting that buying votes is OK?

Are you seriously suggesting that there is no chance that it could
produce a better society?

Right now we have a tyranny of the majority situation in one particular
area: if the majority want something, they can force the minority to pay
for it.

If 5 guys on a street corner "vote" to "redistribute" the wealth of a
sixth, we usually call that a mugging...

When 5 million vote to do it to a million of their fellow citizens, it's
suddenly "democracy"!

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Frank Ketchum on

"William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
news:clark-486C64.22485806022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <tnqbn.35794$Fm7.7270(a)newsfe16.iad>,
> "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
>
>> "Frank Ketchum" <nospam(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote in message
>> news:1mqbn.35793$Fm7.7043(a)newsfe16.iad...
>> >
>> > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:b5b4fc62-1eb4-4744-9d69-ad9972e5ff31(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Feb 6, 8:35 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
>> >> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> news:b2a74ab3-c5cb-45d4-ab83-9d44fe40edc4(a)o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Feb 6, 8:07 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> >news:ae8a32c0-f97f-4e25-ad48-467fb695fa32(a)o3g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
>> >>
>> >> > > In a speech to the Tea Party convention, Tancredo said Obama was a
>> >> > > "committed socialist ideologue," who was elected by people who
>> >> > > can't
>> >> > > read or write. He said a civics literacy test should be a
>> >> > > prerequisite
>> >> > > for voting. I'm just wondering what the Republicans here think
>> >> > > about
>> >> > > this. Do you defend him?
>> >>
>> >> > I think Obama is a socialist in the sense that he wants to enact
>> >> > socialist
>> >> > policies.
>> >>
>> >> > I do not think that the people who elected him "can't read or
>> >> > write".
>> >> > That
>> >> > is stupid.
>> >>
>> >> > A civics literacy test would be a fantastic prerequisite. It will
>> >> > never
>> >> > happen. Another good idea would be to just accept the fact that
>> >> > elections
>> >> > are nothing more than spoils systems nowadays and weight votes based
>> >> > on
>> >> > how
>> >> > much income tax an individual pays. Bring in your previous year's
>> >> > tax
>> >> > returns and your vote is thusly weighted. It will also never happen.
>> >>
>> >> > Of course not being a Republican my opinion is not what you are
>> >> > looking
>> >> > for.
>> >>
>> >> So, votes cast by people who make a lot of money should count for more
>> >> than those cast by people who don't?
>> >>
>> >> - - -
>> >>
>> >> No, I suggested weight be given to those who pay the most in taxes
>> >> since
>> >> they are financing government. Let he who pays for it decide how to
>> >> use
>> >> it.
>> >> What is wrong with that?
>> >
>> > What do you mean by "weight"?
>> >
>> > - - -
>> >
>> > Well for example let's say that every person automatically gets one
>> > vote.
>> > Then in addition say that for every thousand dollars a person pays in
>> > income taxes they get another vote. Doing something like this would
>> > weight votes on what government should do based on who is paying for
>> > it.
>> > If you pay $12k dollars in income taxes you get two votes.
>>
>> Sorry, obviously using my example I meant to say if you pay $1200 in
>> income
>> taxes you get two votes.
>
> Are you seriously suggesting that buying votes is OK?

Buying something suggests that you willingly enter into an agreement. There
is no willingness on the part of the taxed. I am suggesting that the people
who actually are currently forced to foot the bill for government decide how
that government works. What is so hard to understand about that? It used
to be that in order to vote you had to be a landowner. Why? Well because
it was well understood that the only people that should be deciding our
affairs were people that had a stake in the outcome. The further we get
away that and the further away we get from the politically astute deciding
elections, the more our affairs are determined by idiots.


From: Frank Ketchum on

"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:49666345-f3a9-46d0-b070-e951f5593b28(a)v5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 6, 10:27 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b5b4fc62-1eb4-4744-9d69-ad9972e5ff31(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 6, 8:35 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:b2a74ab3-c5cb-45d4-ab83-9d44fe40edc4(a)o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 6, 8:07 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...(a)thanksanyway.fu> wrote:
>
> > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:ae8a32c0-f97f-4e25-ad48-467fb695fa32(a)o3g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > In a speech to the Tea Party convention, Tancredo said Obama was a
> > > > "committed socialist ideologue," who was elected by people who can't
> > > > read or write. He said a civics literacy test should be a
> > > > prerequisite
> > > > for voting. I'm just wondering what the Republicans here think about
> > > > this. Do you defend him?
>
> > > I think Obama is a socialist in the sense that he wants to enact
> > > socialist
> > > policies.
>
> > > I do not think that the people who elected him "can't read or write".
> > > That
> > > is stupid.
>
> > > A civics literacy test would be a fantastic prerequisite. It will
> > > never
> > > happen. Another good idea would be to just accept the fact that
> > > elections
> > > are nothing more than spoils systems nowadays and weight votes based
> > > on
> > > how
> > > much income tax an individual pays. Bring in your previous year's tax
> > > returns and your vote is thusly weighted. It will also never happen.
>
> > > Of course not being a Republican my opinion is not what you are
> > > looking
> > > for.
>
> > So, votes cast by people who make a lot of money should count for more
> > than those cast by people who don't?
>
> > - - -
>
> > No, I suggested weight be given to those who pay the most in taxes since
> > they are financing government. Let he who pays for it decide how to use
> > it.
> > What is wrong with that?
>
> What do you mean by "weight"?
>
> - - -
>
> Well for example let's say that every person automatically gets one vote.
> Then in addition say that for every thousand dollars a person pays in
> income
> taxes they get another vote. Doing something like this would weight votes
> on what government should do based on who is paying for it. If you pay
> $12k
> dollars in income taxes you get two votes.

So, if a I win a $100,000 Pick-6 at the racetrack, I can cast two or
three votes instead of one? Or, conversely, if I take a spill while
skiing in the Swiss Alps and break my arm, and am thus unable to
return to my high-paying job as a neurosurgeon, the number of votes I
can cast is reduced?

But we're getting off the track. I wanted to know what Republicans
thought of what the Republican Tom Tancredo said. And what I've gotten
so far is three conservatives telling me they're not Republicans. So,
I expanded my cohort to include conservatives and libertarians. Still
nothing. So, I'll expand it even further to include anybody who voted
for John McCain in 2008.

- - -

Sure. If you win money in some way the government will take a large chunk
of it so why not have more say in what is done with it than someone who
doesn't pay any taxes? If you were a neurosurgeon and then couldn't be one
anymore you no longer contribute at the same taxation level. More taxes =
more votes. What is the problem here?

I am a libertarian and I did tell you what I thought. What exactly are you
looking for other than trying to set a trap?