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From: Alan Baker on 13 Dec 2009 02:03 In article <4b248837$0$27501$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com>, assimilate(a)borg.org wrote: > On 12-Dec-2009, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > What do you think you know? You know which people are telling the truth, > > and which are in it for the publicity for themselves? > > Do you think it matters? One is telling the truth, that is all that matters You know that, do you? How? > > > > > > > > > Do you know what his family actually feels about all of this? > > > > > > humiliated > > > > And you've had personal conversations with any of them to know this? > > From where does this knowledge stem? > > Your standard, absolute certainty, is absurd. I, of course, can only imagine > and my imagination probably cannot probe the depths of their feelings. Nope. That's not my standard. You imagine and make your decisions based on that... -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Ken Meltzer on 13 Dec 2009 08:09 On Dec 12, 10:50 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:43:53 -0800, Ken Meltzer wrote: > > On Dec 12, 6:36 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:11:01 +0000, assimilate wrote: > >>> On 11-Dec-2009, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > >>>> Do you know what his family actually feels about all of this? > > >>> humiliated > > >> How could they not? > > > "Is knowledge knowable?" "If not, how do we know this?" -Woody Allen > > Ok. At the same time, if someone walked up to you and smacked you in the > head with a baseball bat, I think imagining that you might be dizzy, > disoriented, have a headache, etc., would be reasonable. Right. And if someone came to the emergency room presenting those symptoms and sporting an indentation in his head in the shape of a baseball bat, it would be reasonable to assume that he had been hit over the head with a bat, even if you didn't personally witness the incident. Best, Ken
From: kenpitts on 13 Dec 2009 11:57 On Dec 12, 2:00 am, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog(a)sirhc> wrote: > dene wrote, On 12/12/09 12:17 AM: > > > > > > > "Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog(a)sirhc> wrote in message > >news:mvadnWCLOs6QM7_WnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d(a)supernews.com... > >> Dene wrote, On 12/11/09 2:21 PM: > >>> On Dec 11, 11:10 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > >>>> In article <7ofabcF3pteg...(a)mid.individual.net>, > >>>>> No, just your arrogance. > >>>> LOL > > >>>> What is arrogant about asking someone to answer a couple of questions? > > >>>> Arrogant -- to me, at least -- would seem to be imagining that you know > >>>> the true character of a person because you've had a few distorted > >>>> glimpses of his life on television. > >>> So in your world, multiple affairs are not an indication of true > >>> character? > >> As long as we differentiate between "an indication" and "all > >> you need to know," I have no problem with that point of view. > >> People are complex and always weak in places. Child prodigies > >> especially so. Overall, I think everyone would do better to > >> tend to their own failings than to harp on those of a celebrity. > > >> In my brief perusals of this group lately, I've been > >> especially entertained by the sight of unrepentant > >> bigots acting as though they can claim moral superiority > >> over somebody. The very people who are the very worst > >> that humanity has to offer think that they are better > >> than Tiger Woods because (a) their skin is pink, and > >> (b) Tiger has trouble keeping it in his pants. These > >> are EXACTLY the folks who most need to look in the > >> mirror before they start pointing at anyone else's > >> failings -- and the last ones who will ever do it. > > >> Sorry for the tangent. I just needed to vent. > > > It has nothing to do with skin color, opportunities, child prodigies, or if > > your mother nursed you. He made vows. He broke them....repeatedly.....over > > a long period of time. The majority of married people keep their vows. He > > chose not to.....period. > > If you've never made bad decisions that hurt people you > loved, just say so.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I spent a lot of time with Greg in Portland. I'm sure he is not perfect in his treatment of others, but he came very close in his treatment of me. That said, could a man have betrayed his family in a more spectacular way than Tiger has? I don't see how. Ken
From: kenpitts on 13 Dec 2009 12:28 On Dec 11, 1:33 am, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <4b21d52e$0$17352$882e0...(a)news.ThunderNews.com>, > > assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > > On 10-Dec-2009, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> wrote: > > > > > It seems to me that there is very little that could make up for what > > > > he's > > > > done to his family. > > > > You don't even know precisely *what* he has done and you certainly don't > > > know how his family feels about it. > > > this is quite possibly the silliest thing you've ever posted. > > How so? > > The following are all yes or no questions, Bill: > > Do you know what actually happened (versus what a lot of people with > their own agendas have said happened)? > > Do you know what his family actually feels about all of this? > > I dare you to answer those questions. > > -- > Alan Baker > Vancouver, British Columbia > <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Chris Bellomy on 13 Dec 2009 14:26
dene wrote, On 12/12/09 11:46 PM: > "Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog(a)sirhc> wrote in message > news:AtmdnSsXlusGQ77WnZ2dnUVZ_jxi4p2d(a)supernews.com... >> dene wrote, On 12/12/09 12:22 PM: >>> "Chris Bellomy" <ten.wohsdoog(a)sirhc> wrote in message >>> news:HK6dndbnFbM10L7WnZ2dnUVZ_sZi4p2d(a)supernews.com... >>>> dene wrote, On 12/12/09 12:17 AM: >>>>>> In my brief perusals of this group lately, I've been >>>>>> especially entertained by the sight of unrepentant >>>>>> bigots acting as though they can claim moral superiority >>>>>> over somebody. The very people who are the very worst >>>>>> that humanity has to offer think that they are better >>>>>> than Tiger Woods because (a) their skin is pink, and >>>>>> (b) Tiger has trouble keeping it in his pants. These >>>>>> are EXACTLY the folks who most need to look in the >>>>>> mirror before they start pointing at anyone else's >>>>>> failings -- and the last ones who will ever do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the tangent. I just needed to vent. >>>>> It has nothing to do with skin color, opportunities, child prodigies, > or >>> if >>>>> your mother nursed you. He made vows. He broke >>> them....repeatedly....over >>>>> a long period of time. The majority of married people keep their > vows. >>> He >>>>> chose not to.....period. >>>> If you've never made bad decisions that hurt people you >>>> loved, just say so. >>> Splinters and logs, Chris. I've kept my marriage vows. >> Good. How many millions have you thrown to poor kids? > > How does a thousand a month grab you? It's a bigger percentage of my income > than his. You give that money to kids' charities, or to your church? Nevermind, you don't need to answer that, that's another discussion. Really all I'm trying to say is that, by and large, people cannot be defined by their failings or by their successes. Being human means you're defined by some combination of both. That's all. |