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From: BAR on 22 Apr 2010 07:20 In article <wildbilly-B2D3A4.22211921042010(a)c-61-68-245- 199.per.connect.net.au>, wildbilly(a)withouta.net says... > > In article <MPG.2639635c8206169b989e17(a)news.giganews.com>, > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <kc3vs5lfk9j3aq88p7fm51h0u8roc7p24f(a)4ax.com>, > > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:56:53 -0700 (PDT), Dinosaur_Sr > > > <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote: > > > > > > >If you don't use treated water for your lawn in Chicago. IMHO watering > > > >lawns is a waste anywhere...not that I wouldn't do it, mind you, but > > > >it's a waste regardless. What is the point to growing some difficult > > > >to keep monoculture of grass around your home? > > > > > > Some might say that life or humans is a waste. I suspect we all have > > > different criteria about what is waste and what is important. > > > > Species come and species go, none seem to last forever. It is the > > arrogance of man that thinks all is for him and must be here for > > eternity. > > So say the pundits. Easy come, easy go. How does that work for you? I > mean YOU. Nice try. Let's keep it to the Earth's evolution and the species that have inhabited the Earth. If you want to talk about intra-species habits I sure you can find a group that will play that game.
From: Helmut Wollmersdorfer on 23 Apr 2010 03:47 Fred Williams wrote: > I've never seen weeds on greens, even on the > cheapest of golf courses. I have seen weeds and moss on greens. > So does that mean > that the grass used for greens repels weeds > or is it because of the skills of green-keepers? Yes, they use chemical treatment. Plants are competing against each other. Each sort of plant has its own optimal conditions as a combination of light, temperature, moisture and minerals. Some plants like the same conditions as grass used for lawn. And they survive daily cutting, because their leaves lay flat on the ground. Here in Europe especially Daisy and Broad-leafed Plantain are strong competitors - they lay their broad leaves over the grass covering it, keeping away the light from the grass. > The reason I ask, is because I would like to > make part of my lawn suitable for putting on. > Would overseeding with green-type seed do, No, new seeds have nearly no chance against the established plants. Also, I doubt that the existing sort of grass is usable for a putting green. You can try to cut it daily short, but it will get brown and die, or it will loose competition against mosses (if moisty). > or > do I have to clear a patch down to the earth (no > big deal) and start afresh? You need to exchange the soil 1-2 feet (30-60 cm) deep, seed a special sort of grass, and maintain this area like a green-keeper. For some medium quality you can try - break up the soil 1-2 feet deep - remove all roots of plants and all stones by sieving - order some trucks of washed sand, mix the sand with the soil - let the remaining weeds grow out for 1-2 weeks, break up and sieve again - form the surface of the green, it should be higher than the surrounding area, and it should be falling down to let water flow away. - seed the grass, best time in Europe is May (warm and moisty) Helmut Wollmersdorfer
From: bknight on 23 Apr 2010 17:33 On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:57:17 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >In article <j004t595rv95vfkrvu7sthg9ncd4j7vrf2(a)4ax.com>, >bknight(a)conramp.net says... >> >> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:06:52 -0400, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> >> >In article <wildbilly-746F93.08572723042010(a)c-61-68-245- >> >199.per.connect.net.au>, wildbilly(a)withouta.net says... >> >> It seems you have a lot to learn about the world. >> >> >> >> A world that could be improved by decorating lamp posts with investment >> >> bankers. >> > >> >Have you ever obtained a loan? >> >> Geez Bert. Do you actually make an attempt at not understanding? Read >> his total post, not just the last line. > >I read his entire post. I chose to respond to his comment at the end. Do >you have a problem with that? If you do you can screw yourself. > I don't have a problem with it, because it highlights your shallowness. >Continuation of the species is paramount. Billy just posted examples of >species that are working towards seeing their species continue. I didn't >disagree with what he posted until I got to the end. > >My opinion is that self-important purveyors of righteousness should be >decorating lamp posts. You may be one of the first decorations. > LOL. I'm a purveyor of righteousness? BK
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 21 Apr 2010 09:56 On Apr 20, 2:14 pm, "Fred K. Gringioni" <kgringi...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "BAR" <sc...(a)you.com> wrote in message > > news:MPG.2636b1028b7caee4989e0d(a)news.giganews.com... > > > In article <hqiggo$2t...(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > > bobnos...(a)gmail.com says... > > >> Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > > >> > Had a neighbour who used a company called chemlawn to keep his lawn. > >> > Beautiful green lawn. Sold the house and the new owner didn't keep up > >> > the chemlawn. Totally dead lawn within a year, and needed to resod. > > >> He probably didn't water it either. > > > Watering lawns is a waste of a valuable resource, the water. > > Depends upon the location of the lawn. > > Vegas, yes. Chicago, no. If you don't use treated water for your lawn in Chicago. IMHO watering lawns is a waste anywhere...not that I wouldn't do it, mind you, but it's a waste regardless. What is the point to growing some difficult to keep monoculture of grass around your home?
From: Billy on 21 Apr 2010 12:43
In article <49543cfe-083e-4753-96ca-bb3320b0beba(a)u34g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote: > On Apr 20, 2:14�pm, "Fred K. Gringioni" <kgringi...(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > > "BAR" <sc...(a)you.com> wrote in message > > > > news:MPG.2636b1028b7caee4989e0d(a)news.giganews.com... > > > > > In article <hqiggo$2t...(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > > > bobnos...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > >> Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > > > > >> > Had a neighbour who used a company called chemlawn to keep his lawn. > > >> > Beautiful green lawn. Sold the house and the new owner didn't keep up > > >> > the chemlawn. Totally dead lawn within a year, and needed to resod. > > > > >> He probably didn't water it either. > > > > > Watering lawns is a waste of a valuable resource, the water. > > > > Depends upon the location of the lawn. > > > > Vegas, yes. Chicago, no. > > If you don't use treated water for your lawn in Chicago. IMHO watering > lawns is a waste anywhere...not that I wouldn't do it, mind you, but > it's a waste regardless. What is the point to growing some difficult > to keep monoculture of grass around your home? Our love of tidy but not very diverse yards is imprinted on us by our culture. The immaculate lawn, under siege from ecological writers every- where, developed in the mild and evenly moist climate of Great Britain. Its implications are deeply woven into our psyche. A lawn in preindustrial times trumpeted to all that the owner possessed enough wealth to use some land for sheer orna- ment, instead of planting all of it to food crops. And close-mowed grass proclaimed affluence, too: a herd of sheep large enough to crop the lawn uniformly short. These indicators of status whis- per to us down the centuries. By consciously recog- nizing the influence of this history, we can free ourselves of it and let go of the reflexive impulse to roll sod over the entire landscape. Our addiction to impeccable lawns and soldier rows of vegetables and flowers is counter to the tendency of nature and guarantees us constant work." --- Gaia's Garden, Second Edition: A Guide To Home-Scale Permaculture (Paperback) by Toby Hemenway http://www.amazon.com/Gaias-Garden-Second-Home-Scale-Permaculture/dp/1603 580298/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271266976&sr=1-1 -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |