From: gray asphalt on

"Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 6, 1:41 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:dwEun.305739$OX4.17064(a)newsfe25.iad...
>
> > $100/month higher starting in June,
> > Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. I wouldn't
> > mind as much if I thought more sick
> > and injured people were really going
> > to get medical help.
>
> I have a couple of hundred people to call about their rate increase. Some
> of it has to do with BC/BS not wanting to have the shiniest apple when the
> mandate requiring they cover all children without underwriting comes into
> play.
>
> But.....the root cause of rate increases are due to the insured paying the
> medical bills of the uninsured. Obamacare addresses this and in a few
> years, premiums will stabilize when the insured pool stabilizes.
>
> Until then...fun..fun..fun.
>
> -Greg

In general, however, the root cause of the increase in health care
costs is the tremendous increase in both the quality and availability
of health care in the US. This happened in a more or less free market
because people want it. Specifically, people will pay more for better,
more available care, and IMHO, if polled, would not want to pay less
and get lower quality, less available care.

An absolute fact is that you cannot get anything other than lower
quality and lower availability if you pay less.

An absolute lie is the claim you can maintain the increase in quality
and availability that people want and are willing to pay for without
paying more for it....regardless of the impact it has on the govts
desire to provide entitlements.

___________
You just lost me, Dinosaur Senior.
That is the most bs I've seen in a long
time. I couldn't finish reading your post.

No personal offense, but Dinosaur is
about as reliable as Tiger Wood's
press secretary.



From: gray asphalt on

"BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message
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> In article <dwEun.305739$OX4.17064(a)newsfe25.iad>, dontwrite(a)gmail.com
> says...
>>
>> $100/month higher starting in June,
>> Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. I wouldn't
>> mind as much if I thought more sick
>> and injured people were really going
>> to get medical help.
>
> You should write a thank you note to Reid, Pelosi and Obama.

I think I'll go with the AMA and AARP.
But there is a lot of bs in the bill. I'm live
Nevada. Between Reid and Ensign, I'll go
with Reid.



From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Apr 6, 2:43 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message
>
> news:56e8de2f-3edc-4bbb-8356-2171a116b38d(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 6, 1:41 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:dwEun.305739$OX4.17064(a)newsfe25.iad...
>
> > > $100/month higher starting in June,
> > > Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. I wouldn't
> > > mind as much if I thought more sick
> > > and injured people were really going
> > > to get medical help.
>
> > I have a couple of hundred people to call about their rate increase. Some
> > of it has to do with BC/BS not wanting to have the shiniest apple when the
> > mandate requiring they cover all children without underwriting comes into
> > play.
>
> > But.....the root cause of rate increases are due to the insured paying the
> > medical bills of the uninsured. Obamacare addresses this and in a few
> > years, premiums will stabilize when the insured pool stabilizes.
>
> > Until then...fun..fun..fun.
>
> > -Greg
>
> In general, however, the root cause of the increase in health care
> costs is the tremendous increase in both the quality and availability
> of health care in the US. This happened in a more or less free market
> because people want it. Specifically, people will pay more for better,
> more available care, and IMHO, if polled, would not want to pay less
> and get lower quality, less available care.
>
> An absolute fact is that you cannot get anything other than lower
> quality and lower availability if you pay less.
>
>  An absolute lie is the claim you can maintain the increase in quality
> and availability that people want and are willing to pay for without
> paying more for it....regardless of the impact it has on the govts
> desire to provide entitlements.
>
> ___________
> You just lost me, Dinosaur Senior.
> That is the most bs I've seen in a long
> time. I couldn't finish reading your post.
>
> No personal offense, but Dinosaur is
> about as reliable as Tiger Wood's
> press secretary.

So you don't think health care has increased in quality and
availability in the last 20-30 years or so? You must be totally out of
it then. Wasn't all that long ago the only cure for a blockage in a
cardiac artery was bypass surgery. Now we have stents and meds, which
makes a decent treatment available to far more people. Before statins,
what treatments did we have for high blood pressure? No antivirals.
One could go on and on. Chemo treatments are more varied and more
effective. We have treatments for diseases like Progeria, treatments
that did not exist even a few years ago.

Clinics have popped up all over the place. You can hardly drive a mile
without seeing some sort of primary health care facility.

All this is so because people want it. You want some Marcus Welby like
character to show up at your house with a medical bag and solve all
your medical problems. I suppose. Unfortunately reality just isn't
like that, and the Marcus Welby types couldn't do anywhere near what
modern MDs can do,
From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Apr 6, 2:40 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8219pnFen4U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:dwEun.305739$OX4.17064(a)newsfe25.iad...
> >> $100/month higher starting in June,
> >> Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. I wouldn't
> >> mind as much if I thought more sick
> >> and injured people were really going
> >> to get medical help.
>
> > I have a couple of hundred people to call about their rate increase.  Some
> > of it has to do with BC/BS not wanting to have the shiniest apple when the
> > mandate requiring they cover all children without underwriting comes into
> > play.
>
> > But.....the root cause of rate increases are due to the insured paying the
> > medical bills of the uninsured.  Obamacare addresses this and in a few
> > years, premiums will stabilize when the insured pool stabilizes.
>
> > Until then...fun..fun..fun.
>
> > -Greg
>
> I've still got one question ... what's to keep a bunch of
> us from forming our own insurance company, sort of like
> credit unions vs.  banks?

Go ahead, but you can't exclude the person who has cancer.
From: dene on

"gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message
> news:8219pnFen4U1(a)mid.individual.net...
> >
> > "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:dwEun.305739$OX4.17064(a)newsfe25.iad...
> >> $100/month higher starting in June,
> >> Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. I wouldn't
> >> mind as much if I thought more sick
> >> and injured people were really going
> >> to get medical help.
> >
> > I have a couple of hundred people to call about their rate increase.
Some
> > of it has to do with BC/BS not wanting to have the shiniest apple when
the
> > mandate requiring they cover all children without underwriting comes
into
> > play.
> >
> > But.....the root cause of rate increases are due to the insured paying
the
> > medical bills of the uninsured. Obamacare addresses this and in a few
> > years, premiums will stabilize when the insured pool stabilizes.
> >
> > Until then...fun..fun..fun.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> I've still got one question ... what's to keep a bunch of
> us from forming our own insurance company, sort of like
> credit unions vs. banks?

Go for it. Contact Nevada insurance department and find out the minimum
millions you need in reserves to be viable.

-Greg