From: dene on

"Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 10, 3:57 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9138607c-c11e-464a-a732-a609a18938dd(a)y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Or how about you get
> what you can earn...and the govt helps out people in legitimate
> need...but no universality to any entitlement.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> That's the system in place now, Rob. Part D is not an entitlement. It's
> VOLUNTARY. For example, BK chose to not enroll and that's his right. He
> will be penalized if he enrolls later.
>
> By having more enrolled, costs are reduced, because the insurance
companies
> have more leverage with the Rx companies. The program is working.
>
> -Greg

Really? Voluntary? So I can pass on medicare...not pay into it, not
collect anything from it?

You can pass on Part B (medical) and part D. Most people do not pass on
part A (hospital) because there is no premium deduction for it out of their
SS check. As for not paying into it, that's not hard either. Just go cash
with revenue and expenses.

-Greg


From: dene on

"Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 10, 4:31 pm, "Kommienezuspadt" <NoS...(a)NoWay.com> wrote:
> "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message
>
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> On Apr 9, 5:27 pm, "Kommienezuspadt" <NoS...(a)NoThanks.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:db82085e-9774-4cc7-8569-bed8104d1ed0(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 7, 7:27 pm, "Kommienezuspadt" <NoS...(a)NoThanks.net> wrote:
>
> > > "BAR" <sc...(a)you.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:MPG.2626db0beecff47c989db5(a)news.giganews.com...
>
> > > > In article <yP6vn.306035$OX4.117...(a)newsfe25.iad>,
NoS...(a)NoThanks.net
> > > > says...
> > > >> The nature of the "loophole" doesn't alter the fact that it
> > > >> represents
> > > >> billions in revenue for the various companies. IT was a reduction
in
> > > >> the expense associated with a specific benefit, whose expressed
> > > >> purpose was to sustain the benefit. Now that the loophole is gone,
> > > >> the
> > > >> benefit too will go.
>
> > > >> My understanding is that this particular thing was associated with
> > > >> the
> > > >> Bush administrations free drugs for seniors program, and this
program
> > > >> saved them money by maintaining a class of seniors who got their
drug
> > > >> money from another source...it was/is apparently cheaper this way
> > > >> than
> > > >> having the govt directly subsidize the seniors.
>
> > > >> This will pull billions from salary expenses from various
businesses
> > > >> and cannot have any other effect than reducing jobs and/or
benefits,
> > > >> depending on how they want to make up the revenue shortfall.
>
> > > >> ===
> > > >> It was a gift to the large companies that has been closed -- simple
> > > >> as
> > > >> that -- maybe YOU like handing over $$ & then letting them write it

> > > >> off
> > > >> as
> > > >> an expense --- if so - you must be a give it away & borrow type
>
> > > > Tax policy should encourage employment rather than discourage
> > > > employment. Screwing the big companies only results in screwing the
> > > > "worker", the guy Obama says he is trying to help.
>
> > > > How many people were hired by the poor today?
>
> > > Let's give AT&T all of your money then.
>
> > I can choose to purchase a product from ATT or not. I cannot choose my
> > health insurance though.
>
> > ===
>
> > true -- but YOU said they were being screwed by them not being able to
> > write
> > off a huge gift to them -- I'm still shaking my head on how you can
think
> > that is a good idea - but you'll howl about paying for insurance with
tax
> > money.
>
> I never said the companies were being screwed, just that the
> elimination of the policy will cost them money, and it will, and that
> it is salary money that they will loose. These are simple facts, and
> it is not too difficult to extrapolate the consequences.
>
> I agree with you that it is and was a dumb policy.
>
> ===
>
> I stand corrected -- it was BAR who said it was screwing them --
>
> Still -- you are saying that we should give them $$ to buy insurance --
but
> not regular people --- How can you defend giving money away & then defend
> not giving it for the same end result?
>
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Nope. People should buy their own insurance. Why should health
insurance be different than any other form of insurance?

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How do you propose to motivate healthy people to buy their own health
insurance?

-Greg


From: gray asphalt on

"BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message
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> In article <Z7tvn.62115$y13.39749(a)newsfe12.iad>, dontwrite(a)gmail.com
> says...
>>
>> Okay ... let me understand ...
>>
>> AARP is an insurance company and that is why
>> they support health insurance reform? ... while
>> all of the other companies were against it.
>>
>> Makes sense to me, not. And I guess the AMA
>> supported the health insurance reform bill because
>> they are all lawyers.
>
> You haven't got a clue about health insurance.

You're probably right. I've said that a bunch of times.
And now I know even less after reading your post.
Just tell me how an insurance profit motivated org
can support reform. Since you have a clue, it should
be easy. AARP profits from the health care insurance
reform because ______________ ...



From: BAR on
In article <82cuhcF4t8U1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com
says...
>
> Nope. People should buy their own insurance. Why should health
> insurance be different than any other form of insurance?
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> How do you propose to motivate healthy people to buy their own health
> insurance?

What motivation is there for healthy people to buy their own life
insurance?
From: BAR on
In article <K45wn.180395$2r7.158021(a)newsfe05.iad>, NoSpam(a)NoWay.com
says...
> >
> > There isn't a part D plan out there that doesn't have co-pays and/or
> > deductibles. The participants are paying a portion of their meds plus the
> > premium. What's so wrong with that?
> >
> > -Greg
> >
> >
> >
>
> Not according to BAR & Dino...

There you go spewing falsehoods again.

I made no statement about Medicare part D.

What I want is for people to pay their own way in life.