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From: dene on 10 Apr 2010 23:41 "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message news:9ed87e95-2a25-455f-8b86-35190ba9f39d(a)i25g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... On Apr 10, 3:57 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message > > news:9138607c-c11e-464a-a732-a609a18938dd(a)y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > > Or how about you get > what you can earn...and the govt helps out people in legitimate > need...but no universality to any entitlement. > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > That's the system in place now, Rob. Part D is not an entitlement. It's > VOLUNTARY. For example, BK chose to not enroll and that's his right. He > will be penalized if he enrolls later. > > By having more enrolled, costs are reduced, because the insurance companies > have more leverage with the Rx companies. The program is working. > > -Greg Really? Voluntary? So I can pass on medicare...not pay into it, not collect anything from it? You can pass on Part B (medical) and part D. Most people do not pass on part A (hospital) because there is no premium deduction for it out of their SS check. As for not paying into it, that's not hard either. Just go cash with revenue and expenses. -Greg
From: dene on 10 Apr 2010 23:42 "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message news:e7aac200-720c-4b5b-a9ae-aecb9d9dfaaa(a)x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com... On Apr 10, 4:31 pm, "Kommienezuspadt" <NoS...(a)NoWay.com> wrote: > "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message > > news:0ffe4436-5f36-430d-8832-21372dc1f572(a)b33g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > On Apr 9, 5:27 pm, "Kommienezuspadt" <NoS...(a)NoThanks.net> wrote: > > > > > "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message > > >news:db82085e-9774-4cc7-8569-bed8104d1ed0(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... > > On Apr 7, 7:27 pm, "Kommienezuspadt" <NoS...(a)NoThanks.net> wrote: > > > > "BAR" <sc...(a)you.com> wrote in message > > > >news:MPG.2626db0beecff47c989db5(a)news.giganews.com... > > > > > In article <yP6vn.306035$OX4.117...(a)newsfe25.iad>, NoS...(a)NoThanks.net > > > > says... > > > >> The nature of the "loophole" doesn't alter the fact that it > > > >> represents > > > >> billions in revenue for the various companies. IT was a reduction in > > > >> the expense associated with a specific benefit, whose expressed > > > >> purpose was to sustain the benefit. Now that the loophole is gone, > > > >> the > > > >> benefit too will go. > > > > >> My understanding is that this particular thing was associated with > > > >> the > > > >> Bush administrations free drugs for seniors program, and this program > > > >> saved them money by maintaining a class of seniors who got their drug > > > >> money from another source...it was/is apparently cheaper this way > > > >> than > > > >> having the govt directly subsidize the seniors. > > > > >> This will pull billions from salary expenses from various businesses > > > >> and cannot have any other effect than reducing jobs and/or benefits, > > > >> depending on how they want to make up the revenue shortfall. > > > > >> === > > > >> It was a gift to the large companies that has been closed -- simple > > > >> as > > > >> that -- maybe YOU like handing over $$ & then letting them write it > > > >> off > > > >> as > > > >> an expense --- if so - you must be a give it away & borrow type > > > > > Tax policy should encourage employment rather than discourage > > > > employment. Screwing the big companies only results in screwing the > > > > "worker", the guy Obama says he is trying to help. > > > > > How many people were hired by the poor today? > > > > Let's give AT&T all of your money then. > > > I can choose to purchase a product from ATT or not. I cannot choose my > > health insurance though. > > > === > > > true -- but YOU said they were being screwed by them not being able to > > write > > off a huge gift to them -- I'm still shaking my head on how you can think > > that is a good idea - but you'll howl about paying for insurance with tax > > money. > > I never said the companies were being screwed, just that the > elimination of the policy will cost them money, and it will, and that > it is salary money that they will loose. These are simple facts, and > it is not too difficult to extrapolate the consequences. > > I agree with you that it is and was a dumb policy. > > === > > I stand corrected -- it was BAR who said it was screwing them -- > > Still -- you are saying that we should give them $$ to buy insurance -- but > not regular people --- How can you defend giving money away & then defend > not giving it for the same end result? > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5016 (20100410) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com Nope. People should buy their own insurance. Why should health insurance be different than any other form of insurance? ----------------------------------------------------------------- How do you propose to motivate healthy people to buy their own health insurance? -Greg
From: gray asphalt on 11 Apr 2010 00:21 "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message news:MPG.26282d648e262b64989dc5(a)news.giganews.com... > In article <Z7tvn.62115$y13.39749(a)newsfe12.iad>, dontwrite(a)gmail.com > says... >> >> Okay ... let me understand ... >> >> AARP is an insurance company and that is why >> they support health insurance reform? ... while >> all of the other companies were against it. >> >> Makes sense to me, not. And I guess the AMA >> supported the health insurance reform bill because >> they are all lawyers. > > You haven't got a clue about health insurance. You're probably right. I've said that a bunch of times. And now I know even less after reading your post. Just tell me how an insurance profit motivated org can support reform. Since you have a clue, it should be easy. AARP profits from the health care insurance reform because ______________ ...
From: BAR on 11 Apr 2010 08:59 In article <82cuhcF4t8U1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com says... > > Nope. People should buy their own insurance. Why should health > insurance be different than any other form of insurance? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > How do you propose to motivate healthy people to buy their own health > insurance? What motivation is there for healthy people to buy their own life insurance?
From: BAR on 11 Apr 2010 09:14
In article <K45wn.180395$2r7.158021(a)newsfe05.iad>, NoSpam(a)NoWay.com says... > > > > There isn't a part D plan out there that doesn't have co-pays and/or > > deductibles. The participants are paying a portion of their meds plus the > > premium. What's so wrong with that? > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > Not according to BAR & Dino... There you go spewing falsehoods again. I made no statement about Medicare part D. What I want is for people to pay their own way in life. |