From: dene on

"Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 6, 1:41 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:dwEun.305739$OX4.17064(a)newsfe25.iad...
>
> > $100/month higher starting in June,
> > Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. I wouldn't
> > mind as much if I thought more sick
> > and injured people were really going
> > to get medical help.
>
> I have a couple of hundred people to call about their rate increase. Some
> of it has to do with BC/BS not wanting to have the shiniest apple when the
> mandate requiring they cover all children without underwriting comes into
> play.
>
> But.....the root cause of rate increases are due to the insured paying the
> medical bills of the uninsured. Obamacare addresses this and in a few
> years, premiums will stabilize when the insured pool stabilizes.
>
> Until then...fun..fun..fun.
>
> -Greg

In general, however, the root cause of the increase in health care
costs is the tremendous increase in both the quality and availability
of health care in the US. This happened in a more or less free market
because people want it. Specifically, people will pay more for better,
more available care, and IMHO, if polled, would not want to pay less
and get lower quality, less available care.

An absolute fact is that you cannot get anything other than lower
quality and lower availability if you pay less.

An absolute lie is the claim you can maintain the increase in quality
and availability that people want and are willing to pay for without
paying more for it....regardless of the impact it has on the govts
desire to provide entitlements.
-------------------------------------------------------------

Quality accounts for some of the increase but the cost shift of the unpaid,
uninusured medical bills is far more.

-Greg


From: BAR on
In article <821epfFec2U1(a)mid.individual.net>, dene(a)remove.ipns.com
says...
>
> "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message
> news:56e8de2f-3edc-4bbb-8356-2171a116b38d(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 6, 1:41 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> > "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:dwEun.305739$OX4.17064(a)newsfe25.iad...
> >
> > > $100/month higher starting in June,
> > > Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. I wouldn't
> > > mind as much if I thought more sick
> > > and injured people were really going
> > > to get medical help.
> >
> > I have a couple of hundred people to call about their rate increase. Some
> > of it has to do with BC/BS not wanting to have the shiniest apple when the
> > mandate requiring they cover all children without underwriting comes into
> > play.
> >
> > But.....the root cause of rate increases are due to the insured paying the
> > medical bills of the uninsured. Obamacare addresses this and in a few
> > years, premiums will stabilize when the insured pool stabilizes.
> >
> > Until then...fun..fun..fun.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> In general, however, the root cause of the increase in health care
> costs is the tremendous increase in both the quality and availability
> of health care in the US. This happened in a more or less free market
> because people want it. Specifically, people will pay more for better,
> more available care, and IMHO, if polled, would not want to pay less
> and get lower quality, less available care.
>
> An absolute fact is that you cannot get anything other than lower
> quality and lower availability if you pay less.
>
> An absolute lie is the claim you can maintain the increase in quality
> and availability that people want and are willing to pay for without
> paying more for it....regardless of the impact it has on the govts
> desire to provide entitlements.
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Quality accounts for some of the increase but the cost shift of the unpaid,
> uninusured medical bills is far more.

The problem is the "cost shift." We need to pursue those who don't pay
and make them pay for the services they receive. Stealing is stealing
regardless of the product or service.



From: BAR on
In article <KeLun.37898$Ht4.17109(a)newsfe20.iad>, dontwrite(a)gmail.com
says...
>
> "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message
> news:8219pnFen4U1(a)mid.individual.net...
> >
> > "gray asphalt" <dontwrite(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:dwEun.305739$OX4.17064(a)newsfe25.iad...
> >> $100/month higher starting in June,
> >> Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. I wouldn't
> >> mind as much if I thought more sick
> >> and injured people were really going
> >> to get medical help.
> >
> > I have a couple of hundred people to call about their rate increase. Some
> > of it has to do with BC/BS not wanting to have the shiniest apple when the
> > mandate requiring they cover all children without underwriting comes into
> > play.
> >
> > But.....the root cause of rate increases are due to the insured paying the
> > medical bills of the uninsured. Obamacare addresses this and in a few
> > years, premiums will stabilize when the insured pool stabilizes.
> >
> > Until then...fun..fun..fun.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> I've still got one question ... what's to keep a bunch of
> us from forming our own insurance company, sort of like
> credit unions vs. banks?

Nothing! Go for it.

We will take bets on how fast you go bankrupt.


From: BAR on
In article <ajLun.37900$Ht4.16228(a)newsfe20.iad>, dontwrite(a)gmail.com
says...
>
> "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2624e791ff05f22a989d95(a)news.giganews.com...
> > In article <dwEun.305739$OX4.17064(a)newsfe25.iad>, dontwrite(a)gmail.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> $100/month higher starting in June,
> >> Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. I wouldn't
> >> mind as much if I thought more sick
> >> and injured people were really going
> >> to get medical help.
> >
> > You should write a thank you note to Reid, Pelosi and Obama.
>
> I think I'll go with the AMA and AARP.
> But there is a lot of bs in the bill. I'm live
> Nevada. Between Reid and Ensign, I'll go
> with Reid.

Why does the AMA only count less than 20% of doctors as members?

AARP is a lobbying and insurance company.
From: Kommienezuspadt on

"BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.26258892cc6e5f37989da1(a)news.giganews.com...
> In article <ajLun.37900$Ht4.16228(a)newsfe20.iad>, dontwrite(a)gmail.com
> says...
>>
>> "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.2624e791ff05f22a989d95(a)news.giganews.com...
>> > In article <dwEun.305739$OX4.17064(a)newsfe25.iad>, dontwrite(a)gmail.com
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> $100/month higher starting in June,
>> >> Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. I wouldn't
>> >> mind as much if I thought more sick
>> >> and injured people were really going
>> >> to get medical help.
>> >
>> > You should write a thank you note to Reid, Pelosi and Obama.
>>
>> I think I'll go with the AMA and AARP.
>> But there is a lot of bs in the bill. I'm live
>> Nevada. Between Reid and Ensign, I'll go
>> with Reid.
>
> Why does the AMA only count less than 20% of doctors as members?
>
> AARP is a lobbying and insurance company.

So you also would discredit Fox News -- the biased broadcasting company?