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From: Manco on 11 Apr 2010 20:22 On Apr 6, 4:01 am, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > $100/month higher starting in June, > Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. I wouldn't > mind as much if I thought more sick > and injured people were really going > to get medical help. I just saved 10% by switching to Geico!
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 11 Apr 2010 20:28 On Apr 11, 6:18 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 10, 11:24 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> > wrote: > > > > > On Apr 10, 6:42 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 10, 12:50 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > On Apr 9, 6:34 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:fd1a94bf-aa15-46ab-81c1-4461ac8c077b(a)w42g2000yqm.googlegroups..com... > > > > > > Very stupid policy, IMHO. > > > > > > The whole free drug for seniors policy is/was a bad policy. This is > > > > > typical of these sorts of things though, IMHO. Some "deal" has to be > > > > > made to satisfy some contingency. How about "you use a product, like > > > > > say drugs, you pay for it"? Why is that so bad? And who is going to > > > > > pay for it if the user doesn't...and where are those people going to > > > > > get the money? > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Grandma on SS and a small pension paying $300/mo. for medication, just to > > > > > stay alive. "Why is that so bad?" > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > Fine, so you can pick up the costs then? > > > > > The aspect of this that some, like Gray Asphalt for example, don't > > > > seem to get is that health care has expanded and improved dramatically > > > > over the last few decades, and that is great. Driven a lot of economic > > > > activity and given people access to better health care. > > > > > For example, in the 1970's, how many people were on blood thinners and > > > > statins? Today? In the 1970's how many people had angioplasty and > > > > stents? Today? These kinds of things cost money, and that fact has to > > > > be accounted for. The people talking about this today seem to me to be > > > > using 1970's based logic on the costs of health care. > > > > > The fact is that *EVERYONE* is going to have use of, in some sense or > > > > another, expensive, modern health care. So my question remains: who > > > > pays for it? IMHO, the fairest solution is for the user to pay for it. > > > > If the taxpayer pays you wind up, at best, having working people > > > > working solely to pay for health care. > > > > > Everyone can't have everything, the best, whatever. That applies to > > > > housing, food, transportation, health care, clothing, > > > > education...whatever aspect of society you want to look at. > > > > > So who is the decider? The govt. giving one size fits all to everyone, > > > > like in the UK, so John Bs mom couldn't spend her 2 million being as > > > > comfortable as possible with her ALS, but gets the one size fits all > > > > daily visits from some nurse, like in the UK? Or how about you get > > > > what you can earn...and the govt helps out people in legitimate > > > > need...but no universality to any entitlement. > > > > A UK-style system would not have prevented my mother from spending her > > > money on medical and nursing care. > > > Depends. If she needed access to specialists and specialized > > facilities it would have. They are tightly rationed, and money doesn't > > buy access. > > You are dead wrong and you have no idea what you're talking about. Really. My experience of my life is that I have pretty much first hand knowledge. Study the National Health Service.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 11 Apr 2010 20:30 On Apr 11, 7:53 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 11, 7:40 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <45d14ed4-d005-4e38-bd4d- > > 00a2fec1e...(a)c1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > Why don't they just buy their own meds? What % of the population can't > > > > buy their own meds? How many people with golf memberships have their > > > > meds discounted via a govt program?...for what...to give the > > > > recipients enough free cash to have a golf memberships? In the mean > > > > time unemployment for young people is 20%, and if they get a job 1/2 > > > > of what they make goes to someone else. How much goes to either > > > > deadbeats or people who have far more assets than the young person? > > > > A substantial percentage of Americans can't buy their own meds, > > > including me. I take three prescription drugs. My wife takes three. If > > > we had to pay for them ourselves it would cost several thousand > > > dollars a month. Your ignorance of how people live is utterly amazing.. > > > Is it society's fault that you and your wife's health is screwed up? No.. > > > You could stop playing golf. You could stop high speed Internet. You > > could stop cable TV. You could going out to eat luch and dinner. You > > could stop your cell phones. > > > There are many things you could do to rearange your finances so that you > > can pay for your own drugs rather than brudening your friends, > > neighbors, and fellow citizens to support your health and life style. > > Explain to me, please, how relying on insurance to pay for our meds is > a burden on our friends, neighbors and fellow citizens. Becuase your friends and neighbours are required to pay into the insurance at a rate that allows for your "free" meds. Why can't you buy your own meds? It is not a proper role for insurance anyways. Insurance is for some catastrophic event, not $6K or so a year worth of health care...year after year.....
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 11 Apr 2010 20:32 On Apr 11, 8:09 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > In article <MPG.262c27fef07c901b989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > In article <45d14ed4-d005-4e38-bd4d- > > 00a2fec1e...(a)c1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > Why don't they just buy their own meds? What % of the population can't > > > > buy their own meds? How many people with golf memberships have their > > > > meds discounted via a govt program?...for what...to give the > > > > recipients enough free cash to have a golf memberships? In the mean > > > > time unemployment for young people is 20%, and if they get a job 1/2 > > > > of what they make goes to someone else. How much goes to either > > > > deadbeats or people who have far more assets than the young person? > > > > A substantial percentage of Americans can't buy their own meds, > > > including me. I take three prescription drugs. My wife takes three. If > > > we had to pay for them ourselves it would cost several thousand > > > dollars a month. Your ignorance of how people live is utterly amazing.. > > > Is it society's fault that you and your wife's health is screwed up? No.. > > > You could stop playing golf. You could stop high speed Internet. You > > could stop cable TV. You could going out to eat luch and dinner. You > > could stop your cell phones. > > > There are many things you could do to rearange your finances so that you > > can pay for your own drugs rather than brudening your friends, > > neighbors, and fellow citizens to support your health and life style. > > John, why don't you do as Bert says, and just go out, lie down in the > street, and die? That would save him from the appalling possibility of > ever having to do the right thing for any human being other than himself. Taking other people's resources to solve your problems is not selfish? Why can't you use your resources to solve your problems? We can help the poor, but that is another issue.
From: William Clark on 11 Apr 2010 21:43
In article <f5060e6a-72f0-4146-8c87-bdee116e9d7a(a)35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote: > On Apr 11, 8:09�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > wrote: > > In article <MPG.262c27fef07c901b989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > > �BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <45d14ed4-d005-4e38-bd4d- > > > 00a2fec1e...(a)c1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > Why don't they just buy their own meds? What % of the population can't > > > > > buy their own meds? How many people with golf memberships have their > > > > > meds discounted via a govt program?...for what...to give the > > > > > recipients enough free cash to have a golf memberships? In the mean > > > > > time unemployment for young people is 20%, and if they get a job 1/2 > > > > > of what they make goes to someone else. How much goes to either > > > > > deadbeats or people who have far more assets than the young person? > > > > > > A substantial percentage of Americans can't buy their own meds, > > > > including me. I take three prescription drugs. My wife takes three. If > > > > we had to pay for them ourselves it would cost several thousand > > > > dollars a month. Your ignorance of how people live is utterly amazing. > > > > > Is it society's fault that you and your wife's health is screwed up? No. > > > > > You could stop playing golf. You could stop high speed Internet. You > > > could stop cable TV. You could going out to eat luch and dinner. You > > > could stop your cell phones. > > > > > There are many things you could do to rearange your finances so that you > > > can pay for your own drugs rather than brudening your friends, > > > neighbors, and fellow citizens to support your health and life style. > > > > John, why don't you do as Bert says, and just go out, lie down in the > > street, and die? That would save him from the appalling possibility of > > ever having to do the right thing for any human being other than himself. > > Taking other people's resources to solve your problems is not selfish? > Why can't you use your resources to solve your problems? We can help > the poor, but that is another issue. Alternatively, why can't I use my resources to help others? I know this is a terrible anti-Fox notion, but some people actually feel that it is the right thing to do. Obviously not you and Bertie. |