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From: BAR on 13 Apr 2010 08:36 In article <clark-B1CAF3.08204413042010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > In article <MPG.262d6d535c0f368b989ddb(a)news.giganews.com>, > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <clark-6115F4.14175812042010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > Billy, I have told you numerous times that you are free to set up a > > > > charity and solicit money from others who think and believe like you. > > > > You will then be free to redistribute that money to your hearts desire > > > > to help those you believe need help. This can be accomplished without > > > > any government intervention. > > > > > > > > The problem you will soon find is that those who think and believe like > > > > you are unwilling to part with their own money. These believers want to > > > > implement schemes and laws that force those who disagree with them to be > > > > compelled to part with their money to fund the believers causes. > > > > > > Then why is it unreasonable to expect others to do their part to help > > > the less fortunate? The colective will far surpasses individual efforts. > > > I would rather do that than have my money going to subsidize your > > > childrens' education, for example, as it does now, but you don't seem to > > > have a problem with forcing others to pay for that. > > > > If the "others" jumped off of a cliff would you jump off the cliff too. > > Why do you have to be a follower, why can't you be an individual or a > > leader? > > > > You are pathetic. > > Well, others did "jump off a cliff" when they decided to use their (and > my) tax dollars to get embroiled in two pointless wars that have cost > thousands of lives. Just as you don't want your taxes to pay for the > less fortunate, I equally opposes using them to pay a) the more > fortunate (tax breaks for the very rich), and b) to get involved in > unjustifiable wars on the basis of lies. But you just don't see it, do > you? Billy, you are a populist idiot. I want all to become more fortunate and that can only be done by teaching them how to spit out the government teat and do for themselves. I am surprised that an Ex-Pat Brit like you is lecturing us, in the USA, about unjust wars. I suppose the British Colonial Period is unfamiliar to you. Shouldn't you be berating your fellow countrymen for their ill conceived adventures and subjugation of the people of the world under the British boot for the sole purpose of economically plundering and enslaving the people conquered at the business end of a British musket?
From: William Clark on 13 Apr 2010 09:28 In article <MPG.262e2f6e473bfab3989ddd(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <clark-B1CAF3.08204413042010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > In article <MPG.262d6d535c0f368b989ddb(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <clark-6115F4.14175812042010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > > Billy, I have told you numerous times that you are free to set up a > > > > > charity and solicit money from others who think and believe like you. > > > > > You will then be free to redistribute that money to your hearts > > > > > desire > > > > > to help those you believe need help. This can be accomplished without > > > > > any government intervention. > > > > > > > > > > The problem you will soon find is that those who think and believe > > > > > like > > > > > you are unwilling to part with their own money. These believers want > > > > > to > > > > > implement schemes and laws that force those who disagree with them to > > > > > be > > > > > compelled to part with their money to fund the believers causes. > > > > > > > > Then why is it unreasonable to expect others to do their part to help > > > > the less fortunate? The colective will far surpasses individual > > > > efforts. > > > > I would rather do that than have my money going to subsidize your > > > > childrens' education, for example, as it does now, but you don't seem > > > > to > > > > have a problem with forcing others to pay for that. > > > > > > If the "others" jumped off of a cliff would you jump off the cliff too. > > > Why do you have to be a follower, why can't you be an individual or a > > > leader? > > > > > > You are pathetic. > > > > Well, others did "jump off a cliff" when they decided to use their (and > > my) tax dollars to get embroiled in two pointless wars that have cost > > thousands of lives. Just as you don't want your taxes to pay for the > > less fortunate, I equally opposes using them to pay a) the more > > fortunate (tax breaks for the very rich), and b) to get involved in > > unjustifiable wars on the basis of lies. But you just don't see it, do > > you? > > Billy, you are a populist idiot. Bertie, please try to replace the childish name calling with rational thought - or any thought. > > I want all to become more fortunate and that can only be done by > teaching them how to spit out the government teat and do for themselves. No, you do it by educating them properly, and then allowing that education to propel them forward. Of course, it is the government that provides the means for the education. Oh, dear, problem number one, but you are happy to suck at that teat, I see. > > I am surprised that an Ex-Pat Brit like you is lecturing us, in the USA, > about unjust wars. I suppose the British Colonial Period is unfamiliar > to you. Shouldn't you be berating your fellow countrymen for their ill > conceived adventures and subjugation of the people of the world under > the British boot for the sole purpose of economically plundering and > enslaving the people conquered at the business end of a British musket? I'm sorry that you don't seem to want to live in the 21st century - always harping back to 200 years ago. Not surprising - that is where your view of the world seems to be rooted. However, if history does nothing else, it teaches us lessons that we should heed if we are not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Getting involved in unwinnable wars under false pretences is one of those lessons. It appears that I have learnt it - you, on the other hand . . .
From: Carbon on 13 Apr 2010 17:49 On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:36:48 -0400, BAR wrote: > I want all to become more fortunate and that can only be done by > teaching them how to spit out the government teat and do for > themselves. I always enjoy magical thinking. Hey everyone, you can all fix your financial problems by just being richer. Hope this helps.
From: gray asphalt on 17 Apr 2010 13:00 "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message news:MPG.262e2f6e473bfab3989ddd(a)news.giganews.com... > In article <clark-B1CAF3.08204413042010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... >> >> In article <MPG.262d6d535c0f368b989ddb(a)news.giganews.com>, >> BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> >> > In article <clark-6115F4.14175812042010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- >> > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... >> > > > Billy, I have told you numerous times that you are free to set up a >> > > > charity and solicit money from others who think and believe like >> > > > you. >> > > > You will then be free to redistribute that money to your hearts >> > > > desire >> > > > to help those you believe need help. This can be accomplished >> > > > without >> > > > any government intervention. >> > > > >> > > > The problem you will soon find is that those who think and believe >> > > > like >> > > > you are unwilling to part with their own money. These believers >> > > > want to >> > > > implement schemes and laws that force those who disagree with them >> > > > to be >> > > > compelled to part with their money to fund the believers causes. >> > > >> > > Then why is it unreasonable to expect others to do their part to help >> > > the less fortunate? The colective will far surpasses individual >> > > efforts. >> > > I would rather do that than have my money going to subsidize your >> > > childrens' education, for example, as it does now, but you don't seem >> > > to >> > > have a problem with forcing others to pay for that. >> > >> > If the "others" jumped off of a cliff would you jump off the cliff too. >> > Why do you have to be a follower, why can't you be an individual or a >> > leader? >> > >> > You are pathetic. >> >> Well, others did "jump off a cliff" when they decided to use their (and >> my) tax dollars to get embroiled in two pointless wars that have cost >> thousands of lives. Just as you don't want your taxes to pay for the >> less fortunate, I equally opposes using them to pay a) the more >> fortunate (tax breaks for the very rich), and b) to get involved in >> unjustifiable wars on the basis of lies. But you just don't see it, do >> you? > > Billy, you are a populist idiot. > > I want all to become more fortunate and that can only be done by > teaching them how to spit out the government teat and do for themselves. > > I am surprised that an Ex-Pat Brit like you is lecturing us, in the USA, > about unjust wars. I suppose the British Colonial Period is unfamiliar > to you. Shouldn't you be berating your fellow countrymen for their ill > conceived adventures and subjugation of the people of the world under > the British boot for the sole purpose of economically plundering and > enslaving the people conquered at the business end of a British musket? What exactly is the difference between "populist" and "people" as in "of the people, for the people and by the people" If you mean demagoguery then you will find it in Dems and Reps alike. If you mean an uneducated electorate, then you have a point but is uneducated worse than prejudiced, indoctrinated and brainwashed? At least my ignorance can be informed, but my biases can't. Isn't stressing math and science a way to raise "tools" instead of well rounded, thinking citizens?
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 17 Apr 2010 13:08
On Apr 17, 1:00 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "BAR" <sc...(a)you.com> wrote in message > > news:MPG.262e2f6e473bfab3989ddd(a)news.giganews.com... > > > > > In article <clark-B1CAF3.08204413042...(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > state.edu>, cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > >> In article <MPG.262d6d535c0f368b989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > >> BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > >> > In article <clark-6115F4.14175812042...(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > >> > state.edu>, cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > >> > > > Billy, I have told you numerous times that you are free to set up a > >> > > > charity and solicit money from others who think and believe like > >> > > > you. > >> > > > You will then be free to redistribute that money to your hearts > >> > > > desire > >> > > > to help those you believe need help. This can be accomplished > >> > > > without > >> > > > any government intervention. > > >> > > > The problem you will soon find is that those who think and believe > >> > > > like > >> > > > you are unwilling to part with their own money. These believers > >> > > > want to > >> > > > implement schemes and laws that force those who disagree with them > >> > > > to be > >> > > > compelled to part with their money to fund the believers causes. > > >> > > Then why is it unreasonable to expect others to do their part to help > >> > > the less fortunate? The colective will far surpasses individual > >> > > efforts. > >> > > I would rather do that than have my money going to subsidize your > >> > > childrens' education, for example, as it does now, but you don't seem > >> > > to > >> > > have a problem with forcing others to pay for that. > > >> > If the "others" jumped off of a cliff would you jump off the cliff too. > >> > Why do you have to be a follower, why can't you be an individual or a > >> > leader? > > >> > You are pathetic. > > >> Well, others did "jump off a cliff" when they decided to use their (and > >> my) tax dollars to get embroiled in two pointless wars that have cost > >> thousands of lives. Just as you don't want your taxes to pay for the > >> less fortunate, I equally opposes using them to pay a) the more > >> fortunate (tax breaks for the very rich), and b) to get involved in > >> unjustifiable wars on the basis of lies. But you just don't see it, do > >> you? > > > Billy, you are a populist idiot. > > > I want all to become more fortunate and that can only be done by > > teaching them how to spit out the government teat and do for themselves.. > > > I am surprised that an Ex-Pat Brit like you is lecturing us, in the USA, > > about unjust wars. I suppose the British Colonial Period is unfamiliar > > to you. Shouldn't you be berating your fellow countrymen for their ill > > conceived adventures and subjugation of the people of the world under > > the British boot for the sole purpose of economically plundering and > > enslaving the people conquered at the business end of a British musket? > > What exactly is the difference between "populist" > and "people" as in "of the people, for the people > and by the people" > > If you mean demagoguery then you will find it in > Dems and Reps alike. If you mean an uneducated > electorate, then you have a point but is uneducated > worse than prejudiced, indoctrinated and > brainwashed? At least my ignorance can be informed, > but my biases can't. Isn't stressing math and science > a way to raise "tools" instead of well rounded, thinking > citizens? To learn science, you have to learn to think. Once you learn to think, you have that ability, and can apply it anywhere. Humanities courses stress reading something and "knowing" some interpretation. You are literally not allowed to have your own interpretation. What this and that means has already been determined. In science, nothing is set in stone, everything is open for debate. All explanations are tentative. If you can't think independently, and develop novel interpretations of things, you can't be a scientist. |