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From: Stewart on 29 Aug 2009 12:01 David, that is an intersting observation you make in that you say the ball has to be played "across the water hazard". We have a water hazard and the marker posts are at the top of the slope, quite a bit from the hazard - there is room on both sides to play from the bottom (not in the water) if the ball is resting there. I understood that if my ball is in the water then I can lift and drop on the tee side as already said but if I drop it and it rolls back down into the water then after 3 tries I can place the ball and play from there, note that it is still "within the hazard" as the posts are further up the slope. Now I am not good at pitching but have no problem chipping so if I place the ball at the bottom of the slope as I said then it is an easy chip up onto the green. From your comment this may be illegal and I should really drop the ball on the flat outside the marker posts. Any comment? "david s-a" <dsantwyk(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:7fr5r5F2mlt66U1(a)mid.individual.net... > Stewart wrote: >> Yesterday my opponent's drive put his ball in a plug (totally unplayable) >> on the green side of a water hazard. >> I thought he could declare it unplayable and drop on the tee side of the >> hazard at a cost of one stroke. >> He though he still had to drop the ball in the hazard (no water at >> present) but still count additional stroke. If he dropped as I >> suugested then he thought that was adding 2 strokes; one drop into the >> hazard and one drop on the tee side. >> Who was right? >> Thank you. > If it is an ordinary water hazard (yellow stakes) there are just three > options. > > 1) Play the ball as it lies, in the hazard, without grounding the > club........NO PENALTY > > 2) Rule 26-1a.... "Play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from > which the original ball was last played".......ONE STROKE PENALTY. > > 3) Rule 26-1b....."Drop a ball behind the water hazard, keeping the point > at which the original ball last crossed the margin of the hazard directly > between the hole and the spot on which the ball is dropped, with no limit > to how far beind the water hazard the ball is dropped...."....ONE STROKE > PENALTY. > > For newbies, and others not familiar with the terminology, the phrase > "drop the ball behind the water hazard" is not as clear as it could be. > What it means is that no matter where the ball last crossed the margin of > the water hazard the option 3) above generally intends that the next > stroke be played across the water hazard, along the line of play > indicated. > > cheers > david
From: david s-a on 29 Aug 2009 18:42 Stewart, As Peter has explained, the edge of the water is not necessarily regarded as the actual margin of the hazard. In the absence of a marked line the (outside edges of) the marker posts themselves define the the margin of the hazard....if there IS a marked line then then the outside edge of that line is the margin....and the posts merely indicate the nature of the water hazard (lateral or otherwise)..AND they are deemed to be within the hazard in either case. You may drop twice (NOT three times) on the place authorised by the rules, and the ball is permitted to roll up to two club lengths from where it landed, not nearer the hole than the point where it last crossed the margin. If, after the second drop, it rolls forward of that point, or more than two club lengths from where it landed, or into the hazard, you may then PLACE it on the spot where it landed. You should be warned that if you interfere with the movement of the ball BEFORE it has rolled two clublengths (to prevent it rolling into the hazard for example) then you are in breach of Rule 1-2, and you incur an extra two stroke penalty in Strokeplay, or loss of hole in Matchplay. Your Committee will have placed the marker posts (and thus the margin) at the top of the slope in order that a player may take relief in a fair position where the ball is not likely to roll back into the water hazard. You really must study Rule 26 as this one of the most called upon rules in the book! cheers david Stewart wrote: > David, that is an intersting observation you make in that you say the ball > has to be played "across the water hazard". > We have a water hazard and the marker posts are at the top of the slope, > quite a bit from the hazard - there is room on both sides to play from the > bottom (not in the water) if the ball is resting there. > I understood that if my ball is in the water then I can lift and drop on the > tee side as already said but if I drop it and it rolls back down into the > water then after 3 tries I can place the ball and play from there, note that > it is still "within the hazard" as the posts are further up the slope. > Now I am not good at pitching but have no problem chipping so if I place > the ball at the bottom of the slope as I said then it is an easy chip up > onto the green. > From your comment this may be illegal and I should really drop the ball on > the flat outside the marker posts. > Any comment? >
From: Stewart on 30 Aug 2009 16:03
Thanks both, that clarifies the postition for me. I have failed to do the right thing on several occassions now, including in a medal with opponents watching but none of us realised it was wrong. The past has gone - forget it!! "david s-a" <dsantwyk(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:7ftp7eF2n0ej6U1(a)mid.individual.net... > Stewart, > > As Peter has explained, the edge of the water is not necessarily regarded > as the actual margin of the hazard. In the absence of a marked line the > (outside edges of) the marker posts themselves define the the margin of > the hazard....if there IS a marked line then then the outside edge of that > line is the margin....and the posts merely indicate the nature of the > water hazard (lateral or otherwise)..AND they are deemed to be within the > hazard in either case. You may drop twice (NOT three times) on the place > authorised by the rules, and the ball is permitted to roll up to two club > lengths from where it landed, not nearer the hole than the point where it > last crossed the margin. If, after the second drop, it rolls forward of > that point, or more than two club lengths from where it landed, or into > the hazard, you may then PLACE it on the spot where it landed. You should > be warned that if you interfere with the movement of the ball BEFORE it > has rolled two clublengths (to prevent it rolling into the hazard for > example) then you are in breach of Rule 1-2, and you incur an extra two > stroke penalty in Strokeplay, or loss of hole in Matchplay. > > Your Committee will have placed the marker posts (and thus the margin) at > the top of the slope in order that a player may take relief in a fair > position where the ball is not likely to roll back into the water hazard. > > You really must study Rule 26 as this one of the most called upon rules in > the book! > > cheers > david > > > Stewart wrote: >> David, that is an intersting observation you make in that you say the >> ball has to be played "across the water hazard". >> We have a water hazard and the marker posts are at the top of the slope, >> quite a bit from the hazard - there is room on both sides to play from >> the bottom (not in the water) if the ball is resting there. >> I understood that if my ball is in the water then I can lift and drop on >> the tee side as already said but if I drop it and it rolls back down into >> the water then after 3 tries I can place the ball and play from there, >> note that it is still "within the hazard" as the posts are further up >> the slope. >> Now I am not good at pitching but have no problem chipping so if I place >> the ball at the bottom of the slope as I said then it is an easy chip up >> onto the green. >> From your comment this may be illegal and I should really drop the ball >> on the flat outside the marker posts. >> Any comment? >> |