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From: Dinosaur_Sr on 23 Feb 2010 16:39 On Feb 22, 7:43 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > In article > <120f5165-1cf6-4565-923d-8e025cd2f...(a)15g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > On Feb 22, 5:05 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > state.edu> wrote: > > > Amazing how that sticks in your craw. My only conclusion at this point > > is that you have no academic expertise yourself, and got a degree > > because you can operate some equipment, and are psycho when confronted > > by anyone with any academic accomplishments at all. > > > The fact you cannot see how and why these govt boondoggles screw the > > poor, even when articulated elegantly tells me you are a typical > > socialist hypocrite. The fact is, despite being well of yourself, you > > want other people to pay for your health care. You simply use the poor > > as a debating point to get what you want, and really could care less > > about them. > > Careful snipping, eh? > > Listen , here it is again. You have not published in the materials > science literature, you have not participated in a materials science > conference. > > All these lies - why don't you just give up? You'll feel much better > about yourself. You challenged my statement. I am under no obligation to conform to yours. If you can't remember the statement you challenged, tough for you. Funny how it sticks in your craw though.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 23 Feb 2010 16:42 On Feb 22, 7:45 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > In article > <69fab732-6a92-4caf-9043-79f2ac637...(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > On Feb 22, 4:49 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > state.edu> wrote: > > > In article > > > <a2ef6843-e23d-4282-98b3-8bf670aab...(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > On Feb 22, 1:51 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 22, 11:37 am, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 11:18 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 9:43 am, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 4:38 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 3:27 pm, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 6:16 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr..com> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:18:15 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> would > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> be the > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> an > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> everyday > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> event. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Stop whining. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I should just allow myself to be raped like all you > > > > > > > > > > > >> ideologues, huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better that than I get raped by your Universal > > > > > > > > > > > > Healthcare. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please find any country on the planet with universal > > > > > > > > > > > healthcare > > > > > > > > > > > that has > > > > > > > > > > > higher per capita healthcare costs than the United States. > > > > > > > > > > > Go > > > > > > > > > > > ahead, > > > > > > > > > > > we'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > > The govt dictates costs and service levels in those > > > > > > > > > > countries. In > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > US people can choose from a free market. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Americans can shop around for health insurance. They can > > > > > > > > > shop > > > > > > > > > around for Bentleys and Maseratis, too. > > > > > > > > > Americans can choose to purchase the health care they want. > > > > > > > > Individuals can choose to allocate as they wish, not have the > > > > > > > > costs > > > > > > > > forced on them, in advance, by the govt. Some people choose not > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > the 10K pa or so health care costs, that's their problem. They'll > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > that for a car, or a house, but not health care...so people like > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > want to tax people to the extend of 20K pa to get 10k worth of > > > > > > > > services delivered purely to serve the political ends of the > > > > > > > > govt.- > > > > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Silly Americans, wasting their money on such frivilous luxuries as > > > > > > > housing and cars. Next thing you know, they'll want to start buying > > > > > > > food and clothing! > > > > > > > You can't have everything. You want to drive an expensive German car > > > > > > and live in a big house, and that doesn't leave enough for health > > > > > > insurance, that's your choice.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > I didn't say anything about expensive German cars or big houses. > > > > > Doesn't matter what kind of car it is. Take the bus. It's a matter of > > > > allocating your own personal wealth to serve your own needs. > > > > No, because most cities in the US don't have public transport. The likes > > > of you and Bertie aren't willing to pay for that either. > > > Public transport in the US is lacking because they bus kids to school, > > and low income people can afford cars. Not much market for the public > > transit system in most US locations. > > More like an immensely powerful automobile lobby that has poured untold > millions into squashing public transport plans all over the US. School > bussing would not be necessary if there was adequate public transport > everywhere. I guess you gotta go with the messages you get from the moon! However, if kids took public transit to school, and more poor people had to rely on public transit, the US landscape would be different. When I lived in Toronto, they made no bones about the fact that without school kids taking the public transit to school, the TTC would be screwed. FWIW, one of the dumbest things about the US, IMHO, is busing kids to school. They waste millions (maybe billions) in education dollars on it, and it seriously damages public transportation.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 23 Feb 2010 16:43 On Feb 22, 7:54 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:37:35 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b832127$0$4888$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:43 -0500, BAR wrote: > >>> In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > >>> nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > >>>> 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP. > > >>> When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop > >>> the Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact > >>> that every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.' > > >>>> 2. Average life expectancy by country. > > >>> What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more > >>> by the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life. > > >> The problem is that while the US outspends every single country on > >> the planet in healthcare, its health outcomes are terrible. Fully > >> four dozen countries have better average life expectancies than the > >> US. It's unjust and it's corrupt, but mostly it's just inefficient. > > > Why is life expectancy your only measure of a satisfactory health care > > system? > > There are other measures of course, but I like life average expectancy > because it delivers hard, verifiable numbers about how good a job does > of keeping its citizens alive. Coupled with the cost per capita cite, > there is insight into how efficiently a country provides healthcare for > its citizens. It would appear that the US healthcare system is very > inefficient compared with dozens of other countries. > > And, it doesn't hurt that average life expectancy cite comes from the > CIA's own World Fact Book.http://goo.gl/fZQW Then why do people from all over the world come to the US for healthcare?
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 23 Feb 2010 16:43 On Feb 22, 8:35 pm, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:45:39 -0500, William Clark > > <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > >More like an immensely powerful automobile lobby that has poured untold > >millions into squashing public transport plans all over the US. School > >bussing would not be necessary if there was adequate public transport > >everywhere. > > I'm not sure most Americans are willing to have young children taking > public transportation even if it were adequate for the task. > Really, better to sit with the gang bangers on the school bus?
From: John B. on 23 Feb 2010 17:25
On Feb 23, 4:42 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 22, 7:45 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > <69fab732-6a92-4caf-9043-79f2ac637...(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Feb 22, 4:49 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > > state.edu> wrote: > > > > In article > > > > <a2ef6843-e23d-4282-98b3-8bf670aab...(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 22, 1:51 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 22, 11:37 am, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 11:18 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 9:43 am, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 4:38 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 3:27 pm, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 6:16 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:18:15 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr..com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> would > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> be the > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> an > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> everyday > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Stop whining. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I should just allow myself to be raped like all you > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ideologues, huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better that than I get raped by your Universal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Healthcare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please find any country on the planet with universal > > > > > > > > > > > > healthcare > > > > > > > > > > > > that has > > > > > > > > > > > > higher per capita healthcare costs than the United States. > > > > > > > > > > > > Go > > > > > > > > > > > > ahead, > > > > > > > > > > > > we'll wait. > > > > > > > > > > > > The govt dictates costs and service levels in those > > > > > > > > > > > countries. In > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > US people can choose from a free market. > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Americans can shop around for health insurance. They can > > > > > > > > > > shop > > > > > > > > > > around for Bentleys and Maseratis, too. > > > > > > > > > > Americans can choose to purchase the health care they want. > > > > > > > > > Individuals can choose to allocate as they wish, not have the > > > > > > > > > costs > > > > > > > > > forced on them, in advance, by the govt. Some people choose not > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > the 10K pa or so health care costs, that's their problem. They'll > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > that for a car, or a house, but not health care...so people like > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > want to tax people to the extend of 20K pa to get 10k worth of > > > > > > > > > services delivered purely to serve the political ends of the > > > > > > > > > govt.- > > > > > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Silly Americans, wasting their money on such frivilous luxuries as > > > > > > > > housing and cars. Next thing you know, they'll want to start buying > > > > > > > > food and clothing! > > > > > > > > You can't have everything. You want to drive an expensive German car > > > > > > > and live in a big house, and that doesn't leave enough for health > > > > > > > insurance, that's your choice.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > I didn't say anything about expensive German cars or big houses.. > > > > > > Doesn't matter what kind of car it is. Take the bus. It's a matter of > > > > > allocating your own personal wealth to serve your own needs. > > > > > No, because most cities in the US don't have public transport. The likes > > > > of you and Bertie aren't willing to pay for that either. > > > > Public transport in the US is lacking because they bus kids to school, > > > and low income people can afford cars. Not much market for the public > > > transit system in most US locations. > > > More like an immensely powerful automobile lobby that has poured untold > > millions into squashing public transport plans all over the US. School > > bussing would not be necessary if there was adequate public transport > > everywhere. > > I guess you gotta go with the messages you get from the moon! However, > if kids took public transit to school, and more poor people had to > rely on public transit, the US landscape would be different. > > When I lived in Toronto, they made no bones about the fact that > without school kids taking the public transit to school, the TTC would > be screwed. FWIW, one of the dumbest things about the US, IMHO, is > busing kids to school. They waste millions (maybe billions) in > education dollars on it, and it seriously damages public > transportation.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - How do you recommend children (you obviously don't have any) get to school? |