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From: William Clark on 23 Feb 2010 17:43 In article <83cdbcef-0b8e-4434-8c93-1af0fb1601c2(a)e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 22, 7:41�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > wrote: > > In article > > <0743aef5-f6cb-40af-abcd-486e665e3...(a)15g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Feb 22, 4:45�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > > state.edu> wrote: > > > > In article > > > > <49904568-b75d-48dd-99b5-5bfda8a3a...(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 21, 5:08�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > In article > > > > > > <1f1f533c-c3d7-457e-afb6-15074fb87...(a)33g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 8:57 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 7:12 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > <4b7de8c5$0$4967$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:30:41 -0500, BAR wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > > > <4b7dcb52$0$27203$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:24:00 -0800, John B. wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I don't wany my access to all the above to be dependent > > > > > > > > > > >>> on > > > > > > > > > > >>> my > > > > > > > > > > >>> employment and how much my employer is willing to spend > > > > > > > > > > >>> on > > > > > > > > > > >>> health > > > > > > > > > > >>> insurance. If I were to lose my job, I wouldn't be able > > > > > > > > > > >>> to > > > > > > > > > > >>> afford > > > > > > > > > > >>> the medications I depend on. If I were to sell my house > > > > > > > > > > >>> and > > > > > > > > > > >>> take my > > > > > > > > > > >>> kids out of college so I could afford to buy my own > > > > > > > > > > >>> insurance > > > > > > > > > > >>> policy, it wouldn't cover my meds because they would be > > > > > > > > > > >>> deemed > > > > > > > > > > >>> to be > > > > > > > > > > >>> for a pre- existing condition. What's your solution to > > > > > > > > > > >>> that, > > > > > > > > > > >>> Bert? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Don't get sick. And if you do, die quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access to health care is not dependent upon employment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you were better at negotiating pay with your employer > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > did a > > > > > > > > > > > better job saving money you would have enough money to > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > health care. Instead you have abdicated your personal > > > > > > > > > > > responsibility > > > > > > > > > > > to someone else which has made you dependent upon their > > > > > > > > > > > generosity and > > > > > > > > > > > goodwill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the teat is taken away you are lost and can't figure > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > your next meal is coming from. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, but I've heard all this clueless propaganda > > > > > > > > > > before. > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > favor of universal healthcare because it is cheaper and > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > humane. You > > > > > > > > > > obviously do not know the first thing about it, and yet you > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > positive > > > > > > > > > > that you're right. > > > > > > > > > > > If you want Universal Health Care there are many countries > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > world that offer it and there is no one stopping you from > > > > > > > > > emigrating > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > any of them except you.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > Every industrialized country on earth offers universal health > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > except the U.S., yet the U.S. is the only one of them that's > > > > > > > > embroiled > > > > > > > > in a debate about health care. > > > > > > > > > Where has all the innovation and improvement in health care come > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > over this period? > > > > > > > > Well. let's take one example. Hip surgery; the hip resurfacing > > > > > > operation, which is now considered the best option, especially for > > > > > > the > > > > > > young and active, came from the UK. > > > > > > > > Oops. > > > > > > > Oh boy! Bone scraping! How innovative! You want to line that one up > > > > > against all the innovations that came from the US? > > > > > > Well, we could add to that, but this just shows how chlldishly > > > > simplistic your postulate was. Where, for example, was the first heart > > > > transplant performed? Yawn. > > > > > If Clark needs a heart transplant, send him to South Africa! > > > Definitely not the US! > > > > > There's another 1 thing to put up against all the things that come out > > > of the US. > > > > Well, it's so damn easy to find these things in a millisecond. The only > > stupid thing would be to claim that "all the innovation and improvement > > in health care" has come from the US. > > > > No one would be dumb enough to do that, would they? > > No problem. When you need a treatment, avoid those developed in the > US. It's hard to name a meaningful treatment that is widely used today > that was not originated in the US. Even Barnard: I wonder how many of > the procedures he used, equipment and meds he used were developed in > the US? Same for the hip scrapers...how much of the technology they > used to develop their particular technique came from the US? Now you are getting really stupid. OK, let's claim all of TV for the UK, because John Logie Baird invented it, then there is penicillin, . . well, you get the drift. Just can't stand to have one of your vapid generalizations shot down in flames, can you? Hint: if you don't make them, no one will embarrass you in public.
From: William Clark on 23 Feb 2010 17:44 In article <0e743a83-d250-4f69-a5a2-fd244f242fd5(a)o30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 22, 7:43�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > wrote: > > In article > > <120f5165-1cf6-4565-923d-8e025cd2f...(a)15g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Feb 22, 5:05�pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > > > state.edu> wrote: > > > > > Amazing how that sticks in your craw. My only conclusion at this point > > > is that you have no academic expertise yourself, and got a degree > > > because you can operate some equipment, and are psycho when confronted > > > by anyone with any academic accomplishments at all. > > > > > The fact you cannot see how and why these govt boondoggles screw the > > > poor, even when articulated elegantly tells me you are a typical > > > socialist hypocrite. The fact is, despite being well of yourself, you > > > want other people to pay for your health care. You simply use the poor > > > as a debating point to get what you want, and really could care less > > > about them. > > > > Careful snipping, eh? > > > > Listen , here it is again. You have not published in the materials > > science literature, you have not participated in a materials science > > conference. > > > > All these lies - why don't you just give up? You'll feel much better > > about yourself. > > You challenged my statement. I am under no obligation to conform to > yours. If you can't remember the statement you challenged, tough for > you. Funny how it sticks in your craw though. Oh, I remember very well the statement of yours that I challenged. You just haven't had the spine to own up to it, that's all. Keep evading.
From: Carbon on 23 Feb 2010 18:10 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:51:19 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <1ei6o5le1m58iln645qm34eifh5i130vop(a)4ax.com>, > howard(a)brazee.net says... >> On 23 Feb 2010 02:05:53 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> >> wrote: >> >> >People seem to feel less safe than in generations past. I wouldn't >> >have even considered the possibility of danger in getting a bus across >> >town when I was a kid. But I guess people have learned to be afraid. >> >> Certainly. We are big cowards compared to previous generations - look >> at how bin Laden manipulated us. >> >> One kidnapping in a city of 5 million terrifies 5 million who see the >> crime in their living rooms on the 6 O'clock news. > > Terrorism is effective. America's Most Wanted is terrorism?
From: Carbon on 23 Feb 2010 18:14 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:23:30 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > On Feb 22, 5:37 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:53:41 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: >> > On Feb 21, 6:17 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:27:12 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: >> >>> On Feb 18, 6:16 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> >>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:18:15 +0000, assimilate wrote: >> >>>>> On 17-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point would be >> >>>>>>>> the systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling an >> >>>>>>>> everyday event. >> >> >>>>>>> Stop whining. >> >> >>>>>> I should just allow myself to be raped like all you >> >>>>>> ideologues, huh? >> >> >>>>> Better that than I get raped by your Universal Healthcare. >> >> >>>> Please find any country on the planet with universal healthcare >> >>>> that has higher per capita healthcare costs than the United >> >>>> States. Go ahead, we'll wait. >> >> >>> The govt dictates costs and service levels in those countries. In >> >>> the US people can choose from a free market. >> >> >> In a free market there would be competition and therefore prices >> >> at least somewhat in line with the cost of production. I hope >> >> you're not going to try to argue that either is the case with big >> >> healthcare in the US. >> >> > Moreso than in Canada, where the govt dictates prices. You know, if >> > Americans stop paying the bulk of the cost of pharmaceuticals and >> > related research, people like Canadians will have to pay more. That >> > is an injustice, IMHO, that could be redressed here. Pharmaceutical >> > research is declining in at least parts of the US. like say >> > Michigan. >> >> Given a choice between being "forced" to pay $50, or having the >> freedom to choose between $75 and $80, which would you take? > > Money isn't the only issue, and I would rather pay the 70 or 80 > because the 50 from the govt will be for a cut rate service. How much > health care costs isn't a big issue to me. Maybe in the coming reforms they can have a special price list for suckers, to give them the illusion of choice that they have now.
From: Carbon on 23 Feb 2010 18:20
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:58:00 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <d7c6o551gseh5i5p1s6v12h1uocp68b0id(a)4ax.com>, > howard(a)brazee.net says... >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:43 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> >>>> 2. Average life expectancy by country. >>> >>> What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more >>> by the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life. >> >> So how do we evaluate & measure various health programs on quality of >> life? > > It is difficult, if not impossible to perform an objective study on > quality of life. > > But, measuring quality of health care based upon how many years > grandma and grandpa sit in front of the TV waiting for the kids to > come by and visit doesn't seem right either. > > Living is existence. Existence is not living. Obviously you would make the same ridiculous excuse if the average life expectancy in the US first. |