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From: MNMikeW on 23 Feb 2010 18:21 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:d24f4c17-f61a-4694-9996-9165206d2d7a(a)q29g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... On Feb 23, 4:43 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 22, 7:54 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:37:35 -0500, BAR wrote: > > > In article <4b832127$0$4888$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:43 -0500, BAR wrote: > > >>> In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > >>> nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > >>>> 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP. > > > >>> When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop > > >>> the Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact > > >>> that every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.' > > > >>>> 2. Average life expectancy by country. > > > >>> What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more > > >>> by the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life. > > > >> The problem is that while the US outspends every single country on > > >> the planet in healthcare, its health outcomes are terrible. Fully > > >> four dozen countries have better average life expectancies than the > > >> US. It's unjust and it's corrupt, but mostly it's just inefficient. > > > > Why is life expectancy your only measure of a satisfactory health care > > > system? > > > There are other measures of course, but I like life average expectancy > > because it delivers hard, verifiable numbers about how good a job does > > of keeping its citizens alive. Coupled with the cost per capita cite, > > there is insight into how efficiently a country provides healthcare for > > its citizens. It would appear that the US healthcare system is very > > inefficient compared with dozens of other countries. > > > And, it doesn't hurt that average life expectancy cite comes from the > > CIA's own World Fact Book.http://goo.gl/fZQW > > Then why do people from all over the world come to the US for > healthcare?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - They don't. ============ Here's one who did. http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5h0QC7bditrEb3wYz_6_b-gsGGDxA "I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics." "(But) this is not a unique phenomenon to me. This is something that happens with lots of families throughout this country, so I make no apologies for that."
From: BAR on 23 Feb 2010 18:51 In article <clark-1E8991.08544223022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > > 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP. > > > > > > > > When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop the > > > > Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact that > > > > every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.' > > > > > > And the result was hailed as a great American triumph. Your point, then? > > > > If you weren't an adrenaline junkie would you have taking the ride? > > Why not? You only live once (and not quite so long in this country ;-)). Try snatching your life from the jaws of a certain death with less than 5 seconds to spare. That's living. Nothing between you and the earth but air. > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Average life expectancy by country. > > > > > > > > What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more by > > > > the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life. > > > > > > I think anyone with experience would put the quality of life in many > > > European countries as at least as good as in the US. > > > > Why isn't it better? > > Well, in reality it is, but I didn't want to get you too hysterical late > at night. Yeah right. I didn't read this until just a few minutes ago. But, that's ok your backtracking and restating makes you feel like a big man.
From: Howard Brazee on 23 Feb 2010 19:24 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:26:11 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: >> >The objection centers around loss of freedom. There is no way a govt >> >delivered system can provide the options a private system can. >> >> So why do people keep bring up cost, if that isn't the objection? >> > > "Everybody" doesn't bring it up. The govt brings it up because for >them it is THE issue. Health care is getting very expensive because it >is getting very good. It's amazing to me what is available today, but >it costs money to do it. The current govt is welded to the idea of >universal entitlements, and to have that with health care cost has to >come down a lot. You can't bring down cost and have the same quality >though. I didn't say everybody brings it up. I'm not sure what "the government" is in your above. It appears that our houses of congress are split. But I was talking about a subset of those people who are objecting to the health care. A pretty large subset who keep bringing up cost. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 23 Feb 2010 19:26 On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:00:30 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> > If you're working to get rid of social security you have a point. Any >> > politicians running on that platform? >> > >> >> Ron Paul, who is the favored candidate of CPAC members, wants to >> abolish SS. > >Ron Paul is a nut job. With some good ideas. >But, getting rid of all entitlements is the only way the USA is going to >survive. Your existence does not grant you license to the contents of my >wallet. Is there any chance that we will get rid of the main entitlement - social security? I don't see it happening short of destroying our country. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Jack Hollis on 23 Feb 2010 20:01
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:37:33 -0700, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >>Why is life expectancy your only measure of a satisfactory health care >>system? > >What measure do you suggest we use? Cancer survival rates is a much better measure because once you have cancer it's medical care that makes the difference. Life expectancy means very little because it is much more a matter of lifestyle than anything the medical profession does. The US has the highest cancer survival rate in the world because it has the best health care in the world. |